Does the handling of JVG shake your confidence on Daryl Morey?

please tell me in what way he poorly treated v-span and bonzi? he didn't.

i don't know any stories about oakley so atleast a little interested in that.

 

JVG did the best he could but now the deed has been done. Morey will have lots to do to get the Rockets to become a Championship caliber team. I for one hope he does get it done. As for JVG he will be fine and I wish him the best in whatever he decides to do. I wonder if the hiring of a new coach will have free agents wanting to come to H-Town??

 

This is how I kind of feel right now.

I really don't give a crap how he handled JVG. That's mostly an owner thing imo. Morey's deal will be roster moves, that's all I care about. I'll reserve my judgements on him until I actually see what he does this summer, but I'll tell you this much: I would feel a lot more confident going into this summer if our gm was Jerry West.

 

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Yes, I can see your point?



DD

 

They lost A LOT by doing this.

Daryl pulled that off the table the moment I wouldn't agree to saying it wasn't a mutual agreement,'' Van Gundy said. ``I disagreed with that and I told them that. I appreciate the offer very much. I was a little disappointed by the heavy handedness of the conclusion.''

They could had a specialist on basketball IQ and not as a coach but as a consultant to complement the new coach's offense.

 

I'm as confident with Morey as I am with Pupura (right now!)

 

Not for me. If someone is going to get millions of dollars for a job then they sure as hell need to be a team player. If they are not willing to do the PR thing then they sure as hell are not a team player so why would I continue to offer a multi-million dollar contract to them.

JVG was never a true team player and yes the Rockets had every right to know imeadiatly if he wanted to continue to coach the team with out him qualifying an answer.

 

My thoughts as well. JVG jerked the team around all season with respect to him wanting to come back. The Rockets shouldn't have even given him a third opportunity to keep his job (which he obviously didn't want).

 

Morey consult to CD, Morey feed the ammo to the chamber and Les pull the trigger. As simple as that! Besides JVG's system is getting old and i don't feel that we are engaging enough on the offensive side of the game. Bring on Adelman!

 

what's the over/under on months in the season before people starting asking for adelman's head?

 

I will say 5. Expect Ricky to receive a lot of criticism.

 

I don't know baseball, whats the significance of the Mets guy?

 

I seriously hope many people in this thread never, ever are in a position to manage people. If they were, we will likely hear about them in the BBS Hangout in threads such as "My idiot boss" or "My boss is incompetent."

Regardless of who's fault it is, how can anyone think this whole situation was handled well?

 

because they despise JVG

 

Tim Pupura's first major move as the Astros new GM was a major blunder in which he was taken for a ride by Scott Boras, the agent of Carlos Beltran (the Met player).

 

Max,

I don't have an issue with how it was handled, I think they did what they thought was right by the Rockets and tried to negotiate a mutual departure.....

Think about it, how many times does the person getting fired get offered extra compensation to speak nicely about the organization?

JVG had his chances, he turned down extensions TWO times this year, and then was wishy washy about his future.

And to top it off, Les was pissed that JVG ignored his directive to be more positive this year.

So, just like JVG does with his disgruntled employees, Les put him in the dog house.

To me it is all about negotiations and bargaining power, it happens all the time in other businesses, so it is no surprise to me here.

DD

 

Stop trying to make a blanket comparison to the "business world". Most everything in the business world is industry specific.

In the NBA, "hush money" as you would call it is rare. Any other fired coaches this year staying with their organization? Last year? Year before?

And it's been painfully obvious for awhile that a little extra money doesn't make two bits of difference to Van Gundy. If you haven't figured out by now that he's about as straight a shooter as they come, you probably never well.

If Les wanted to move on, that's fine and dandy -- it is his team. But there's no need to try and put up a facade of mutual complicity.

 

In my business being paid exit money with non-disclosure agreements is fairly common with senior managemnt, and in most entertainment fields that I know of as well.

Rudy T with the Lakers, Larry Brown with the Knicks and Pistons....happens all the time. You can call it hush money, or a consultancy.....fairly common.

Nike,

I do think JVG is a straight shooter, no doubt about it.

And I believe both sides acted in good faith. Here is what I think happened.

JVG knew that if he resigned again, it could hurt his reputation and a chance to get another head coaching position, so he wouldn't sign the papers = RIGHT CHOICE for JVG

Les did not want to alienate some of the fan base by firing a coach that had just led his team to a 52 win season, even though he decided it was best to go in a new direction so he tried to cut a deal with JVG = RIGHT CHOICE for the organization.

JVG is a straight shooter, but honestly as an employer, I have a MAJOR issue with him basically mocking Les all year by talking about how he was asked to be more positive, that is not something an employee should do and honestly is pretty classless on his part.

That being said, even with all that, Les recognized that JVG was a quality coach and TWICE tried to sign him to an extension, JVG balked (for whatever reasons).

Therefore when he balked again at the end of the season, I believe Les had seen enough and just said "To heck with him"

I think both sides did what they thought was right for each other.....therefore I have ZERO problem with how it was handled.

DD

 

Unless your business is the NBA, irrelevant.

Larry Brown was bought out so they wouldn't have to pay him full salary. If he's fired, he makes the money anyway.

You name 2 examples, one of which is no good, in an industry where 15-20% turnover each year is about average, and to you that's "fairly common"? Talk about Neverland.

You're making blanket assumptions. JVG has said he plans on staying in Houston, and would've taken the consulting gig if he didn't have to call it mutual. I don't think he really cares about another head coaching position.

Not really all year, and certainly irrelevant to the way things were handled postseason.

Again, completely irrelevant to what happened postseason. But you continue to throw these things out there like they are relevant.

According to Van Gundy, he did no such thing. And again, if Les had said "To heck with him" from the beginning, there wouldn't be an issue.
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Which is entertainment - Relevant.

I just gave you two examples off the top of my head, I am sure there are many others. You just dismiss two examples, and then say neverland..yeah, right.

Yes, I am making assumptions, based on a very real situation, and if you watched JVG you would see him saying that he was staying in Houston for the forseable future.

And I do think he cares about coaching in the future - time will tell which one of us is right.

Have you ever owned a business and asked an EMPLOYEE to do something and they basically said "Stuff it" .....it is HIGHLY relevant. And it sways my opnion quite a lot...

And having a coach TWICE turn down an extension is highly relevant if they thought he might not want to coach, they had to start looking....it is their job.

Picking nits, Les had decided and hoped JVG simply retired. It didn't happen and they fired him.

BFD !

DD