I think everyone can agree with that a lot. Like I've said, he's a 15-20 min bench player. Your team will not,can not win a title with Rafer,Shane, and Chuck playing over 25 mins a night. I don't have any statistical proof, I just think Shane and Rafer are 15-20 min players and Chuck is a situational / matchup player.
Chuck Hayes is almost completely inept on the offensive end where as Shane is not. Hayes is a defensive specialist. Shane can still spread the floor with his 3pt shooting and can post up smaller players and make free throws, although he doesn't have much of a midrange game. But what he brings on the defensive end and his ability to stop an opposing teams fastbreaks is just way to valuable to be selectively put into games or lower his minutes. His fastbreak defense alone warrants him big minutes in my book and he plays hard every single game where as one or two very important rocket players don't.
I think shane and chuck are hated on because they fail to fill the unrealistic expectations placed on them when the true stars or scorers don't come through. the only reason they're kept in the game too long is because they are efficient. Efficient may not get you big leads, but it doesn't create a large deficit either, it keeps you close. With other guys, the way they play is hit or miss, you either lead big or are losing big. I think coaches get tired of the inconsistency and would just rather keep it close, have a chance, and hope the big names deliver at the end.
See, unlike you, the coach is looking for the guy who's going to help win the game, not just the guy who's making buckets. That guy has been Shane, whether he's shooting frequently or not. As long as the ROCKETS are scoring and getting stops while he's on the floor, he's going to be getting minutes, regardless of how many points he actually scores himself. You're just whining because he doesn't tickle the twine for your personal entertainment, and that's why you can't see why his coaches and GMs love him so much.
Battier is overrated, he plays hard, and also plays for no mistakes, that is why everyone tends to love him. But you look at his number, it was quite bad.
Exactly. A guy who doesn't shoot like Shane gives a team with a weak defender 'someone to guard'. Or maybe it let's the other team's star scorer rest on the defensive end. If we ever trade T-Mac just watch who he comes back and guards. Hint: Shane. I just think he needs to pull the trigger more often. When Shane's passing up open looks, it falls to Rafer/TMac/Ron to jack something up late in the shot clock. With a defender like Artest here, I like Shane on the floor about half the game, out there every minute Ron is out. The TMac/Wafer/Barry wing combinations scare me a bit on the defensive end.
Chuck is exceptionally good at defending, however Shane not only is invisible at offensive side, his defense sucks too. He merely puts his hand in front of shooter's face which I don't think is effective in most of the time. I believe in physical play which wears down the oponent's offense.
that's the point, you're looking at NUMBERS. His worth isn't seen in the numbers. There are players who only show their worth in the boxscore, some that don't and some that show it both ways. Look at the play by play i posted earlier, is there a stat for forcing a player to shoot instead of driving? Or for forcing a player to miss a layup without blocking it? What about for getting your man to chase you on a cut AWAY from your teammate so that your teammate has a wide open lane to the rim? A lot of people think the results are luck, but you can actually make a defender work for you by making him think he's stopping you, but in reality he's what he's doing it not being an effective help defender. there's a reason why chuck hasn't been let go or traded and that's because he offers the same thing but in the post. Shane though, actually has a shot, so he's even more useful.
i would advise fans to look further than what's right in front of them. so Andre Miller is guarding Shane. Oh must mean they don't want him to get tired and guard the "easiest" player. NOT!! Look at the boxscore. Houston went with Tmac and Rafer in the backcourt. who's the 76rs' backcourt? Willie green and andre miller. 6-3 and 6-2. that forces one of their small forwards, who are both athletic, to guard tmac, therefore forcing philly to put miller on the rocket's SF. the fact that it was shane was just convenient for them. If Ron played the ulk of the minutes at the 3, they probably would have left Miller on Tmac and would have been burned. Its all about matchups, it's not a knock on battier, but respect for Tmac's game. Start Wafer at the 2 and Miller would have guarded him. (which he probably did back in their earlier matchup on Jan 6)
