Hello internet GM's, please stop trying to use stat to demonstrate Battler's so called "ineffectiveness." I can assure you that if things can be measured by stats alone, Morey would have traded Battier away ages ago.
morey cant trade battier cuz nobody wants his sorry ass for all that money i dont know what yall dont understand about that
I've never been able to figure out why the Battier apologists want to compare him to players like Bowen or Posey. Newsflash...Yao ain't Duncan and neither Posey or Bowen cost anyone a Lottery pick. Another thing the Battier apologists conveniently ignore. PHI guarded him the whole game with 6'3" Andre Miller.
i agree they shouldn't compare battier to bowen, but because Battier is better. Bowen can't shoot from anywhere but the corner AND can't shoot free throws, doesn't rebound either. Posey may not have cost anyone a lotter pick, but he did get traded for Kenny Thomas. He's had the fortune of being on the right team and right situation.
Chuck Hayes is the better one on defender this season and probably last season as well. Shane is still by far the best team defender but I agree that his offense needs to show up more often. Of course, none of us would be talking about this if the guys who were brought in and paid the big $$ to score could actually do that or even stay on the court healthy for that matter. At the end of the day, it boils down to a trade being needed. Either ship of some of the offensively challenged role players for someone who can score (and stay healthy) or ship out one of two of the "big 3" for someone who can do that job they cannot do. Ron or Tracy need to go if it will bring in a near All Star caliber PG. If that doesn't work then a package including Battier and maybe Carl Landry (going to have to give up quality to get quality) needs to happen in order to bring in a quality PG.
Nope. Opponent PER: Chuck Hayes - 22.6 Shane Battier - 12.0 (second lowest on the team, behind Artest) That is a wide gap.
i hope this is a slump because of his injury, if this continue idk we need something done like put tmac on the and von or ron start at sg or sg tmac than von or ron sf
I think it is. He's visibly moving and reacting slower than he did last season. The problem is that Battier himself said he didn't expect to fully heal during the season. So does that mean the current Battier is what we should be expecting for the rest of the year?
dam i hope not. Yeah i start to realize now, remember how last season shane use to get all hand in the scorers face but now he only getting half way there like finger tips.
LOL people still don't understand what Shane brings. I bet people here would love to have a starting lineup of Baron Davis, AI, TMAC and Dirk. Heres a newsflash people, effectiveness in a true team is not measured by ppg.
Good perimeter defense Great team defense Good entry passing to Yao Spacing for Yao to operate by his opponent being forced to guard him Decent post game against smaller players On floor QB with off the chart BBall IQ. DD
DD, I was waiting on you. I agree with some of what u say, but there are a few debatable things in there. The postup of smaller guys and the basketball iq on the offensive end. Philly played him with Andre Miller the whole game. A 6'3 pg vs a 6'8 sf is a advantage to the sf anyday all day. If you were playing against Shane and he was on Yao side making a entry pass, how scared are you of Shane? I mean we've seen Utah be able to double Yao and run shane off the line in the same motion because shane isn't a threat to go to the rack. I think shane is a role player which is cool, but he's a bench role player playing 20mins or less. If he was in that role, I wouldn't ever complain about shane except it makes the trade even worse.
We're nearly three years removed from that trade. Whether it was wise or foolish, at this stage it hardly matters and its probably about time you got over it. The topic of this thread is how comparable Battier is to the equivalent of a "Chuck Hayes" on offense, not how he compares to Rudy Gay. Very good teams -- in fact most of the last several champions: the Lakers, the Spurs, the Heat, the Celtics -- have utilized players like Battier for significant minutes in their championship runs. Depending on him for 35+ minutes is probably not ideal, but having a guy like that in your regular rotation is a common ingredient on championship-caliber teams.
nobody is denying that a player like shane or a chuck hayes is crucial to a championship team. the problem is HE PLAYS 35+ MINUTES. it's like chuck hayes. if he's in there for 12-15 minutes, he actually helps the team tremendously with his defense and can ALTER GAMES. but when he's in there for too long, his ineptitude offensively tends to overshadow his great defense and thus he's not as useful. the same thing applies with shane. that's why we should only play shane when the other team fields a great scorer or we need some stability on the defensive end. and that doesn't require 35 minutes a game.
