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Does Joe Johnson deserve a Max Contract?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J-Tang, Jun 30, 2010.

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  1. plutoblue11

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    How that would work is through a sign and trade with two - four team deal.

    Toronto (or Phoenix) with Atlanta and another team (doesn't matter it could be the Nets, Wizards, 76ers, Knicks, and etc).

    Toronto (or Phoenix) deal only Amare or Bosh (maybe one more rotational player)
    Atlanta ships out JJ with Marvin Williams
    The third team ships out some of its players that can equal the value of the other teams above.

    If Bosh or Amare wanted to go to Atlanta, which is probably unlikely in first place (but for the sake of argument). Let's just say it is a deal for mainly concerning JJ and Bosh (or Amare). JJ going to the third team, Bosh/Amare going to Atlanta, and Phoenix getting pieces from Atlanta and the 3rd team involve.


    I do not understand why the Hawks did not look into other plans, like simply trading Joe Johnson in a sign and trade and getting back some valuable pieces. They could've gotten some players from Chicago or other suitors, or offered more through a 3rd team.

    I think they blew big time.
     
  2. khanhdum

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    horrible choice by atlanta
     
  3. ivanyy2000

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    I can't care less.

    NBA is probably the only pro sports league that overpay so many players, and dish out so many contract to pay a player not to play.

    I don't care, because it is not my money and I didn't spend a single cent on NBA related items for the past two years.

    The only games I watched for the last season was the NBA finals. So what the hell, they can pay Joe Johnson 10B and I won't care.
     
  4. H-Town Rockets Guy

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    There are too many teams with a lot of cap room this year. Teams that strike out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh will overpay the other freeagents.
    In my opinion this year only 2 players deserve the Max money that will be Lebron and Wade.
     
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    No. He should not be payed what lebron gets payed. It makes it so ridiculous when u put it like that, that he wud be getting payed the same as Bron. So, no, he definitely doesn't
     
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    Toronto, an elite team? :eek:
     
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    Turrible
     
  8. roslolian

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    Due to the cap, the talent level for salary becomes higher. "Talent" is relative, if someone like the Polish Hammer played here in the PBA (Philippine Basketball Association) he'd be the MVP and GOAT and would deserve the max.

    If guys like Lebron and Dwade are making 16 mill a year, then obviously second-tier guys like Bosh should be worth less. Again if you only have limited capspace and all else being equal, the guy with Lebron or Wade would win over the guy with Bosh when its championship time. The fact that Lebron or Wade is worth more than 16 mill is irrelevant because according to the cap they can only make this much. You can probably get around this by paying over the cap, but from a pure team management sense its a bad move.
     
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    Why are you reading this forum if you don't care about the NBA?? makes no sense.
     
  10. BaMcMing

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    I think I just won a bet
     
  11. RedRedemption

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    So you're one of those people that feel cheated because you get paid less for actually working, while these guys play a game and get paid tons and tons more for less work than you are doing?

    Deal with it. Celebrities get rich.
     
  12. BimaThug

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    The Joe Johnson signing to a max contract will most likely assure that the Atlanta Hawks are irrelevant for the next decade. At least starting after next season. That ~$127 million commitment will have the following consequences:

    --Josh Childress can finally return to the NBA without worrying about the Hawks matching any offer sheet he signs. He wanted to come back last year but feared being stuck in Atlanta if the Hawks matched. Someone (I hear the Celtics are very interested) will give him a MLE offer. Atlanta simply cannot afford to match it for fear of being luxury tax payers next year.

    --Next summer, they may not be able to competitively bid to retain Jamal Crawford, especially if he has another stellar year as the Hawks' sixth man.

    --In 2012, it'll be interesting to see if the Hawks can afford to retain Al Horford, especially if they re-sign Crawford in 2011. At that point, Johnson will be making over $20.5M.

    I honestly don't think the Hawks will ever be as relevant as they were last year, at least not for the next decade. They'll be good next year, but then I think Johnson's game will start to decline, and so will the Hawks' record. By 2012-13, I think the Hawks will be an Eastern Conference also-ran.

    Good luck with that contract, Atlanta! Congratulations, Joe.
     
  13. RV6

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    latest sheridan tweet says johnson isnt alock to go to Atlanta...that Ny and chicago are still int he mix, dependent on what other max FAs do...
     
  14. LikeMike

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    I agree, though I´m tempted to put Nowitzki and Bosh in this group. Nowitzki is a proven leader with a great offensive game and a good guy in the Dallas community, so that really warants the max contract at least for Dallas... and Bosh is a young 25/12 guy with lots of offensive weapons - those guys are hard to find.
     
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    Some teams have no interest in really winning a championship. Joe Johnson will keep them good, but he will also lock them into this mediocre roster, which will never compete for a title, they'll win games and be in the playoffs, but no championship.


    The rockets might flame out, but nobody can question they want it all, they aren't just settling for being good. Do everything to compete for a title, or rebuild and suck for a high pick, there should be no in between.
     
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    idt he soes, he came up the smallest when the moment was its biggest last yrs PO's
     
  18. wizkid83

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    Not really, it's a supply and demand question right? The demand for players (especially in this year's market) is higher than the supply therefore the prices paid out reflect it. Think about this, the Chinese stock market has a cap on daily movement that a stock can make. In days where market crash or soars, there will be quite a few stocks that hit the cap. Just because some of the stocks that hit the cap are not as bad as the worst stocks (in terms of changes in perceived value) doesn't prevent them from hitting cap.
     

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