Both are debates that should be had based on evidence and values. You weigh things like the benefits/drawbacks of sugar/drugs vs the value of the freedom to take sugar or recreational drugs. Do you make policy that bans/allow it or do you have marginal regulations like warning labels, recommended intake, what goes into school lunches, age restrictions. These are all valid debates and don't need to be on absolutist terms. It should be the debate we're having on masks: sacrifice, marginal freedom, societal health, recommendations, mandates, business policy.... We should just raise the level of discourse and education instead of the tribalism bs of absolutes. Our individual choices affect the health of others and it's okay to value to right to be selfish over societal health - just be honest and smart with the discussion. Hoping we stay away from the fake bs misunderstanding of things like "my absolute constitutional freedom."
Right, I support wearing a mask if it helps others, it's not much of a sacrifice and I've been wearing them anyway. I think my point was just that the other examples typically point to impact on money in taxes and the individuals health, whereas wearing a mask here could save someone, limit spread, and also save taxpayers money from hospital visits. Hopefully the masks work
Nope... years ago my father in law was in Saudi. His group was spread across 2 cars. The other car was involved in an accident. The guy in the back seat wasn't wearing a seat belt. His body flung forward with such force that the guy wearing a belt in the front seat was slammed into the windshield and died.
I think a better comparison than the seat belt law is driving without liability insurance. Refusing to wear a mask because you think your personal rights are being violated is as silly as refusing to carry liability insurance because you think your personal rights are being violated. It's not for you, it's for everyone around you.
This is true but it’s all so dependent on people’s viewpoints. Health insurance for example is the same. If you don’t have it you end up at the ER when you break something and run up a bill you never pay which causes the hospitals to increase prices to make up for all that uncompensated care. It’s the same reason we complain about shoplifting hurting society. Essentially no health insurance leads to stealing healthcare though EMTALA makes it technically legal thievery. Most people have gotten comfortable with seatbelts or auto liability insurance but masks and mandated health insurance is the devil to some.
Once I'm on a private road, I take mine off and that's just ok. The "PING" reminder is a bit much, Ford won't tell me how to turn it off, so I just click the belt behind me and roll on.
Get into the truck...get out of the truck...go to the back cab for tools....get in...get out...everytime you hit 8 MPH the beeping starts...once you're in working land there's no need for seatbelts, but the dinger still wants it buckled. I had a massive fight with the auto doorlocks for a month or so (leave truck running, get out, don't remember to unlock all the doors...walk to any other of the quad cab, doors locked...walk back around and unlock doors. Door Locked...then I pulled fuses until I turned that **** off.
It's really not that complicated. I heard some shennanigans about you doing a write-in-vote. I'm not sure I like that.
You know now that I think about it, I probably do oppose the seatbelt law - for adults only, I definitely support the law for children. (Give a 7 year old a 200 dollar fine and "comedy" defensive driving class, that'll teach the little **** ) Like others have mentioned, seatbelts for consenting adults, it's a personal risk, cops shouldn't be responsible for parenting people on risks to themselves. I'm am fully supportive of must wear mask laws in places of gathering during pandemics though. Laws regarding personal risks = call me Ron Paul Laws regarding risks to others = call me Castro
Does anyone realize that an unbelted passenger in your vehicle is a meat missile? 20% more likely to die wearing a belt if an unbelted passenger is behind you, 22% for the inverse. (belted rear, unbelted driver) Wonder how many parents have killed their belted children with their own unrestrained bodies. Freedumb. Hit semantic satiation with the belts in this post, and spell check tells me it's unbelted isn't a word...
Everyone wears a seatbelt when you're on pavement or a public road. Once that's cleared, the kids ride in the back of the pickup or mule whatever, they know how to hang on, we did this for years back in the day. If you get hurt it's probably your own damn fault, don't try and pet the snakes, don't walk in the middle of the beefs, don't touch the spiky plants, don't throw rocks at the buzzing trees, been that way for 100 years or so.
