Does Adelman leaving make you hate anyone who doesn't hate Adelman leaving?

I don't like the idea of JVG apologists because he had TMAC and Yao and he had his guy battier whom he traded away for a legit All Star. he couldn't get out of the first round. adelman did, while not playing defense.

 

it depends on who you compare to.

 

how about the only candidates we're considering...because at this point, that's all that really matters.

i have a difficult time believing any of those guys will ever compare to rick adelman.

 

he squeezed more wins than i thought possible from that bunch.

 

it's not apology. as often said, offense comes from talents and well, defense is all about efforts. there is a reason ppl keep saying it.

if you insist it is, what about the idea of ra apologists. they kept saying he didn't have right group to play defense.

 

i suppose i'm an apologist for both. i love jvg's insistence on defense. i came to respect adelman as one of the better coaches in the game.

and i look at the current crop of candidates and i'm not remotely excited.

 

i don't have to apologize for RA, he did more with less. if you can't see that there's no point in continuing this discussion

 

i don't know much about all three candidates. ppl said casey and frank are defense minded coaches. i hope it's the case. no one mentions where kevin stands. only things about kevin are he might be a player coach and very well respect due to his HOF status. don't know what those characters will be translated into

 

like i said before i am an old school person. i fully believe defense wons champions. we have to build a team that believe defense is the fundation to be success in this league.

 

He got past the first round with Yao, T-mac, Artest and a nice deep team (AB, Landry). The deepest team in the Yao era.

He missed the playoffs two straight years after that.

 

i tend to agree. but imo, this team wasn't defensively deficient because of their coach. this team wasn't built for defense or championships.

 

It's like a broken record.
RA's teams have been known for playing great D. The defense was pretty damn good when we had that tall suave asian dude. But don't let the facts get in the way. =/

And yes Martin has no D, but they(management not RA)thought yao would be healthy and would hide Kmart's lack of D. When management went with the 24 minute rule for yao, it was Rick who questioned it.

Besides, so many of the players that people on the board are gaga over, rarely play D...Stephon curry? Yes he gets steals because he plays the passing lanes and allows other pgs to torch him. Oh wow, he gets .4 more steals than lowry.
Amare? Carmen anthony?
In today's Nba, to play great defense you need defensive bigs, a reputation from the refs, where they allow you to grab crotch and More help from the refs.

The rockets defense sucked because the front office gambled on Yao's health and failed to provide Rick with a good replacement. I don't hate anyone that doesn't agree with me, but it does hurt my head that they don't see the errors in their ways.

 

Best post in this convoluted thread.

DD

 

tell me how ra can squeezed more on offense from this group of non superstar players. it's coz his offense style. do you know what is the princeton offense. it doesn't need superstars. he just need players who can pass and make some of open shots. they call princeton offense. i would call it is the team offense.

 

It was not the Princeton offense, that offense is a lot more structured than what Adelman ran, it was more the read and react offense, where you take advantage of what the defender is doing, and it is predicated on the players recognition more than set plays.

And Rick did a great job in Houston. He got a team to the 2nd round while missing arguably his best player - and that team played defense BTW.

The ownership/org let him down by not supplying him with a quality big, they did what they always do, and tried to get one on the cheap and shockingly it didn't work.

The org is going in one direction and Rick is going in another, so no suprise that they parted ways, it was probably right for both parties.

Now the ownership/GM is on the clock for production, and sometimes when teams rebuild, they are not around to recognize the fruits of their labor.

Steve Patterson anyone?

DD

 

i'm talking about winning records the last two years with no all stars more than making the playoffs and beating portland. what did jvg do in 06 when his stars went down?

 

I have the most benign feeling I have ever felt about something in regard to adelman leaving. I cant believe how much I dont care. I would have maybe like to see yao in the adelman offense but oh well. yao may not come back anyway.

The lack of any defensive focus was tiring ,and having to beat the other teams score just to win with no defense was getting annoying. I 'm not sure what Mchale defensive strategy is, and if we are truly puppeting the current head coach so that we can bring this other guy in down the line I'm okay with that too. I like the idea of Mchale for a few years, and see what we can do. After seeing Dallas ,and thunder don't feel like we are way off.

We get another draft pick, another chance at moving down in the draft, another chance at signing someone or trading for someone decent ( I hope we trade martin) and we also have thabeet a year older, patterson a year older, budinger a year older. We must retain hayes and Im not sure still about scola. I dont think anyone will want him or miller so we are stuck with scola and miller.

So our front line is looking like
hayes,scola,patterson,hill,yao,miller,player to be named later??

we will be thin at SF

the question will be if we can get anything significant for martin. he is our trade piece. Our core should be lowry,hayes,scola plus fillers. I like the determination of scola lowry and hayes so I am okay building around that. Surely with a pick at 14 ,and martin and maybe even budinger we can land an almost top tier player at SG /SF ? I like martin but not for the playoffs wonder what talented SF we could get for Martin? Wonder what talented PF/C we could get for martin? .. I dont think yao is coming back, but if he does then yao is our 6th man of year.

I would like deandre jordan or ibaka type player. Want a more defensive SG to go with lowry so that we can have a good defensive presence in the guards position. We need at least 2 three point shooters. If we can retain budinger and move him to backup and get a good SG or PF for martin another then another 3 point specialist would be nice. Not sure who that is but another SF/SG 3 point specialist.

 

Winning records? Its so much easier to make the playoffs in the NBA than in any other league in the world. Mediocre is what I would describe this team, not winners.

Again, look at that JVG team. Look at the starters and bench for that team. Our Dragic could replace David Wesley on that horrible team. You give Rick the 06 team sans Yao, T-mac and he wouldn't of done any better.