HP- could you give an example of a team that does transition offense well? The Knicks without Ewing perhaps? And could you perhaps illustrate a 3 on 3 quick strike play? Let's say Francis, Shandon and Mo come down the court quickly after a rebound from Cato who outletted to Francis. The opposing team has three guys back in transition D who have stopped an easy dunk, but there is still 2-3 seconds before the rest of the defense arrives. What would be an example of a set Francis could immediately execute if the initial easy bucket is denied?
Da bulls were great at it...the Spurs did it too. You ever hear Pippen tell Cuttino to slow down the fast break. A common set play is for the PG to delay in a 3 on 3 and let the wing players run through. One can go to a corner and the other (opposite side from the PG), does a back pick for trailing PF who has read the failed fast break and set up in the high post. The PF receives a back pick to the low post area for Steve to hit him, and the picker has a roll to a 15-17 footer spot. Plus, if anyone at anytime forgets the primary responsibility of stopping Francis, Steve can go straight to the hole for a slash and dunk or slash and pass. Nolen...yes, I am drawing up Transition Offense options. To me, this is the easiest and likely most productive thing for us to add to Stevie's offense.
The other thing to remember is the transition "sets", so to speak, can be your normal half-court sets without the 4th or 5th player. Since we have many 3 guard sets that we run, flex-ing into one of those is simple. Don't think too much about complicated sets. Nolen. Transition is often just getting where you want to be and executing before the defense. You don't need all 5 players to run our natural sets.
Here's something Francis and Mobley can work on: http://allcoach.com/basketball/strategy/strategy_week.asp and: http://allcoach.com/basketball/drills/view_drill.asp?Drill_ID=76 ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know. [This message has been edited by BobFinn* (edited October 07, 2000).]
Nice posts all. Yeah i forgot about the spurs, my bad. Now HP, I understand what you are saying and your seperation of transition offense and fastbreaks, and i understand they are completely different. However both are driven by defensive rebounding, especially fast break are useless without defensive boards, the potency of both is greatly reduced by having to step behind the baseline and throw the ball in after a made basket. So HP when you say you want the Rocks to run you actually mean RUN better transition offense. Smeg PS HP, Love to see your transition sets ------------------ Discombobulation Imminent
yes...that pretty much sums it up. I want them to run better transition. What do you think about the chicken-n-egg theory regarding efficient transition offense helping your defensive boarding, cause the opps must start backpedaling into transition def on each shot. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited October 08, 2000).]
re chicken or egg i agree that if an offensive teams gets after the boards big time, say they send 4 players to the offensive glass it can severely disrupt the defensive teams attempts to get into both transition and fast breaks, this is an especially good method if your oppostion is considerably faster than you, cause if forces them all to get in the key way instead of out on the break and cherry picking for lay-ups. But as for trasnition offense helping your defensive rebounding i am not sure cause for your theory to be true, it needs to be started by rebounding and defense, caus ewithout them you are passing the ball in from the baseline, si in essence after getting the first few defenive boards, steal, blacks or stops you run sensational transition offense, then the offensive team my be reluctant to hit the offensive glasss as much, but it needs to start with stops and boards though. Smeg ------------------ Discombobulation Imminent
Actually, this is kind of interesting. A few years ago I read Pat Riley's auto-biography regarding the Showtime Laker years, specifically the '86-'88 seasons. He gave a nice breakdown of most every game from his angle and his take on a lot of the key players on the opposing teams. I only mention this because every time he talked about the Denver Nuggets, when the Lakers would play them, he lauded how great their running game was. In fact, he flat out said that they had by far the best running game in the league, and that his only goal was to contain them and force them into his offense. Which of course he usually did, cause the Showtime Lakers were one of the greatest teams ever, and I bet maybe 3 of you could even name ONE PLAYER off that Nuggets team. The reason is that the Lakers had a well oiled blend of offense, not a complete run and gun offense. AND GREAT DEFENSE. So yes, a running game can win, and no, solely a running game will not win a championship. ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain -
1988 Denver Nuggets Alex English Fat Lever TR Dunn Micheal Adams Jay Vincent Blair Rasmussen Danny Schayes Bill Hanzlick Calvin Natt Wayne Cooper Maurice Martin Mike Evans Micheal Brooks ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
Allow me to rephrase... Only 3 of you could name the players on that team unless you're probably a fat, balding white guy that bought the NBA Complete archived history book from Barnes & Noble for $59.95. (+ tax) Honestly, how many recognizable names are there on that list besides Alex English and Danny Schayes? ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain - [This message has been edited by DarkHorse (edited October 09, 2000).]
Allow me to rephrase... Only 3 of you could name the players on that team unless you're probably a fat, balding white guy that bought the NBA Complete archived history book from Barnes & Noble for $59.95. (+ tax) Honestly, how many recognizable names are there on that list besides Alex English and Danny Schayes? ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain -
Dang it... sorry about the double post... ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain -
Fat Lever and Michael Adams are recognizable names as well. For what it's worth. And I'm appropriately proportioned for my height, thank you. And hairy like an ape! ------------------ "I'd like to be going down Fourth Avenue in a parade with all the graffiti coming down on our heads." -- Patrick Ewing, showing off that Georgetown edumacation.
I recognize every one of those guys except Martin and Brooks. That team had some great games with the Rockets of that era. ------------------
Okay, okay... sorry... I guess I should give everyone here the benefit of the doubt. If you're a ClutchCity faithful, then chances are you're a cut above the average Joe Q. Fan. I apologize if I insulted anyone's basketball knowledge or dieting habit. (or age for that matter) I a lot of the guys here were still in elementary school back in '88. I'll be nice now... ------------------ "There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and STATISTICS..." - Mark Twain -
