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DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by OddsOn, Mar 17, 2009.

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  1. Bogey

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    I'm going to go on a hunch and say that these guys would have had guns regardless of the amount of gun control we have. They probably never passed an FBI background check.
     
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  2. OddsOn

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    Good move to another country like England. I will buy your plane ticket!

    You people need to realize that you have been indoctrinated by television, public education and the media. All of who are primarily run by people who are admitted socialist if not out right communists.

    Just keep chiseling away at the pillars that made this country great and prosperous and when it crumbles into a nanny state don't come crying to those of us who tried to warn you.
     
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  3. Rocketman95

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    sounds like you're the one who should move if you're surrounded by "admitted" socialists.

    btw, please point out where anyone who runs mainstream media or public education has admitted they were a socialist.
     
    #43 Rocketman95, Mar 17, 2009
  4. DaDakota

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    See this is just not true....

    When guns are illegal it is not all that easy to get them....

    The problem is that they are SOOOOO prevelant here in the USA....they are everywhere.

    We have more guns per capita than any country....by a mile.

    I think the number of guns per us citizen is over 1-1 in ratio...how insane is that?

    DD
     
    #44 DaDakota, Mar 17, 2009
  5. Bandwagoner

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    What is your solution again?
     
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  6. Mulder

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    You people... indoctrinated... socialist agenda? Oh boy.

    OK, since you've stopped discussing and started with the histrionics, I won't comment any further.
     
    #46 Mulder, Mar 17, 2009
  7. Major

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    QUOTE=OddsOn]
    Just keep chiseling away at the pillars that made this country great and prosperous and when it crumbles into a nanny state don't come crying to those of us who tried to warn you.[/QUOTE]

    Funny that you continue to whine about the nanny state while complaining about the government no longer subsidizing stuff for the private sector. Do you even know what you're arguing here?
     
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  8. OddsOn

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    There is no subsidizing for the private sector in any of my comments in this thread. The shell casings were being purchased at fair market value AND I might add a higher rate then this policy change will bring in.
     
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  9. OddsOn

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    In an effort to educate some of you on the true meaning behind the 2nd ammendment...

    If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
    -- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    "That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... "
    -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

    "[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
    --James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

    What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
    -- Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
    -- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

    "O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone ..."
    -- Patrick Henry, Elliot p. 3:50-53, in Virginia Ratifying Convention demanding a guarantee of the right to bear arms

    "The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    -- Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, p. 3:746-7, 1833

    "The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.... f the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in so doing the laws of public order."
    -- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]

    "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress ... to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.... "
    --Samuel Adams
     
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  10. ROXRAN

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    I really like my second admendment rights...It a weird thing, this "right".
    The thing is fellow gun owners we are talking to a different ideology mindset committed to the political pressured idea that guns are so wrong because the premise is "rights"...

    On the left, the emphasis is on the idea of collectivism, the requirement of regulations, and administering greater centralized control as a purpose of existance.

    On the right, the emphasis is on individualism, the benefits of entrepreneurship and free market capability, less governmental control - hence greater propensity towards individualized rights...

    I'm not saying who is best. There can be good and bad in both. I have my preference, but that is me...

    Nothing new...We all know the philosophies. Now looking around, you don't exactly see a lot of leftist slanted countries granting individual rights...There is greater control of the populace...Less trust of the populace...It's the politicalized idea that individual rights is not really a good thing...

    Many citizens have been indoctrinated to slant left in philosophy, and thus they realize the magnitude that collectivism in ideas and government is paramount...Thus the willingness to subvert, attack, denegrate in any way possible the 2nd admendment...Scary?...yes.

    I don't think attacking gun rights this early is a good strategy...Remember, there are lots of moderates who are gun owners...

    Anyhow gun sales are great and that is such good news for the economy!
     
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  11. CometsWin

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    Can you please explain in detail how public gun ownership in the last 50 years has made this country prosperous and great, thanks.





    Since you posted this I assume you read it and understood it because according to Mr. Cooley, the 2nd amendment applies to those liable to the performance of military duty in an infantry capacity. So that means gun ownership should be restricted to males between the ages of 18 and 42 who have a high school diploma and can pass a standard physical screening? That sounds pretty good to me. Are you going to show this to the NRA so they can get on board with Mr. Cooley's enlightened view on Consitutional Law or is this just another lamo attempt to quote dead people to reinforce a point you don't actually agree with?
     
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  12. OddsOn

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    Did you read the whole quote or only pick out the sentences that suits your own narrow minded ideology? Here let me help you out...

    "It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent."

    What does the last 50 years have to do with anything related to the 2nd amendment or the reasons behind why the founders thought it was so important to the salvation of the country?
     
    #52 OddsOn, Mar 18, 2009
  13. weslinder

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  14. rhadamanthus

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    Nope. Freedom has limitations. The "this is america, wooooooooo freedom, liberty yay" spiel does not mean anything.

    There are all sorts of things you cannot do in America, regardless of your private concept of "freedom" that you keep bringing up like some sort of goofy talisman.
     
    #54 rhadamanthus, Mar 18, 2009
  15. Artesticle

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    The war on drugs is the main cause of increased violence, not the guns. The war on drugs and gun bans are both crimes of possession and destroy civil liberties. It's best not to repeat the mistake once again. Let freedom ring.
     
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  16. Artesticle

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    It means a lot to the people who fought for their freedom. You and your pathetic ilk might think freedom and liberty a joke but I'm glad the framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights thought otherwise.
     
    #56 Artesticle, Mar 18, 2009
  17. Major

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    If they are being purchased at FMV, what's the problem then? If the government stops selling them, these guys should be able to get them from private suppliers at the same rates if it's FMV. The reality is that the gov't was providing much of the supply, artificially lowering the price. When the gov't is your primary supplier, it's not a free market.
     
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  18. Major

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    I assume you also believe people should be allowed to own nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, right? After all, those are also crimes of possession hat destroy civil liberties.
     
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  19. rhadamanthus

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    lol. try yelling "fire" in a crowded theater and let me know how well it goes over. A more obvious example would be trying to buy a surface to air missle. Heck, try pointing a laser pointed at a jet flying over your house.

    I'm often just plain flabbergasted at gun zealots who go ape**** over freedom and liberty and the constitution because usually (and you certainly apply, artesticle) they are also huge fans of the patriot act and sanctioned torture.

    Hilarious hypocrisy FTW!
     
    #59 rhadamanthus, Mar 18, 2009
  20. Artesticle

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    Those examples do not compare to gun possession and ownership. Yelling fire and pointing a laser at a planes infringe on others’ lives. Personal possession of a gun, or pepper spray, or mace, or a knife, or mar1juana does not. The man in the video is partaking in a peaceful activity. The government has NO RIGHT to interfere through use of force or incarcerate him for it. I am no fan of the Patriot Act, The war on drugs, and gun bans. It's all the same.
     
    #60 Artesticle, Mar 18, 2009
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