Do you want Mcgrady back on the team for the vet min?

I'm certain you did not see Dirk last year. His team had to play ZONE for most of the playoffs. He simply guarded air space.

KG had the most heart/determination you will ever find, and he couldn't get out of the first round for 8 years. Grant Hill didn't get out of the first round once as the #1 guy for 5 years. So no, it matters a lot who else is on your team if you want to advance in the playoffs.

However, McGrady did have a ton of faults, and a lot of them could have been avoided. Therefore, his career would have gone differently. It's really a shame his career isn't being talked about as one of the top 15-20 players to ever play the game.

 

So he didn't do anything to go from averaging 9 points per game, to 15 points per game, then going to 27 points per game WHILE getting better as a 3pt shooter (22% to 27% to 36%) and increasing his rebounding and assist totals?

Yes, his minutes increased (Not as much as you think, he averaged 15 at 31 min, 27 PPG at 39 minutes).

Dude worked hard to become an elite player, you have to pay him respect for that.

His body failed him, some doctor said he wasn't supposed to be able to play post age 25 or something like that because of his back problem.

T-mac wont be coming to Houston so it doesn't matter but you have no proof to say he never worked hard.

 

T-Mac was a pretty good defender in the playoffs when comitted.

He also kinda had to carry every single player on the Rockets offensively which could be a little difficult.

Chuck carrying Tracy's ass is just a pure hater statement. The Rockets would have been a 30 max win team without T-Mac.

 

I think McGrady would have fared better against the Jazz with Barkley and Drexler than Hakeem did. McGrady would have ran circles around Russel, and shot over Hornacek like it was nothing.

Willis / Harrington
Barkley......Bullard
McGrady / Johnson
Drexler / Ellie
Maloney / Threatt

Also, you're not giving Horry and Cassel enough credit. McGrady was riding with Wesley and Juwan Howard. How many game winners did they hit?

I don't want him back either, but he had fight in him during every playoff series. His only questionable performance was the second time he played the Jazz without Yao. And it's not like the Rockets were going anywhere that year.

 

Maybe McGrady will fair better with Drexler than he did with Vince.


(Kind of sad to see fanboys prop up a player that pissed on the city of Houston, and threw his hardworking teammates under the bus. You should be ashamed of yourselves.)




And to sub Tracy in for Hakeem in any hypothetical is like subbing in Mookie Blaylock for Magic Johnson, or Jerry Stackhouse for Michael Jordan.

 

Much like tinman, the only refutation you offer for the arguments of these "fanboys" are irrelevant comparisons and ad-hominem BUT U RNT REEL FANZ attacks. You rarely address the point, instead opting to run circles around it until the other poster gives up...which I'll admit is an effective strategy, as arguing with a brick wall does get tedious.

 

What is the pro-Tracy argument, exactly?

Hypotheticals?

Fact = Tracy took a steaming **** on Houston. Fact = Tracy threw his teammates, his coaches and his organization under the bus, multiple times.

What am I missing here? A select group wants to bring him back you say? What should we call this group of people? Fans of the Houston Rockets?


I... think... not...

 

Read the thread, and if you seriously still have trouble comprehending I'll post a summation comprised of quotes for you to read, though I doubt they'd be of any help should it have to come to that anyway.

Your "facts" are entirely subjective. What defines "taking a steaming **** on Houston," exactly? For you, it could be announcing surgery. For me, it could be literally defecating on the city of Houston. Congratulations, you are now a hybrid of tinman and thetatomatis, better known as the guy who can't differentiate opinion from fact.

Finally, who the hell gave you the right to dictate what makes someone a fan? If someone has been rooting for the Rockets their life, and they want to bring back a former Rocket, they're suddenly no longer a fan? Even if they still root for the Rockets?

Oh right, you're a 99--wait a second, you signed up in 2006. Can't even use that as an excuse for your tinman syndrome.

 

So quick question. T-Mac is a season and a fourth removed from our team. Why the hell is this thread in GARM? This is just a pipe dream by some fan. There is not even a shred of credibility for this. Shouldn't this be moved to Dish instead of further polluting GARM?

 

Hahahaha

TOFs can't find Houston on a map of Texas. Hell, they can't find the planet Earth on a map of the solar system.
They probably can't find sand on the beach.

 

I have been having a bit of a rethink about this, and my answer now is.



**** NO !

DD

 

I still don't really understand why a fan of t-macs can't be a fan of the rockets. Or a non fan pf Hakeem can't be a fan of the rockets

 

T-Mac in his prime is a top 50 player of all time...

T-Mac hadn't reached his peak when he was there with Vince so I dunno what your argument is.

Grant Hill was injured the entire time, T-Mac had a ****ty ass team in Orlando.

In Houston, he had Yao who was a great player but had no role players around them. Yao was never quite transcendent in his years with T-Mac, he was a definite all star though.

NONE of the playoff loses can be blamed on T-Mac.

Magic played with Worthy and Kareem.

T-Mac was a victim of circumstance

 

Wrong again. Not on that list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History

and no, there's no * for McGrady either. Only in the minds of Tmac fans.

 

A Rocket fan can distinguish what Hakeem did vs what Tracy did for the Rockets.

A Tracy fan still has difficulties distinguishing reality of what Tracy did for any team.

Pretend you are not a tracy fan and just a casual basketball fan.

What's the first thing you think of when you here Hakeem? Jordan? Magic? Bird?
Shaq? Kobe?

that's all you need to know.

 

WTF?!!!?
Seriously, you take A TON of players that could always play in their 'primes' and they would be better than T-mac. Why do Tmac only fans try to create these special situations for him?...Longevity is huge in the NBA..the grind and punishment the body takes over years and years can only be handled by truly dedicated, great players. Tmac doesn't fall in that category...he's always been mentally and physically weak...quit trying to make up 'pretend' situations to make him look better than what he really is...he was done at less than 30 years old as a 'great' player and now he's just looking for a freaking paycheck from any team that will take him...a true top 50 player of all time?...riiiiight.

 

Nah, T-Mac was one of the very few players of all time to have a season over 30 in player efficiency rating.

1. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.84 1962-63 SFW
2. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.76 1961-62 PHW
3. Michael Jordan* 31.71 1987-88 CHI
4. LeBron James 31.67 2008-09 CLE
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 31.64 1963-64 SFW
6. Michael Jordan* 31.63 1990-91 CHI
7. Michael Jordan* 31.19 1989-90 CHI
8. Michael Jordan* 31.14 1988-89 CHI
9. LeBron James 31.10 2009-10 CLE
10. David Robinson* 30.66 1993-94 SAS
11. Shaquille O'Neal 30.65 1999-00 LAL
12. Shaquille O'Neal 30.55 1998-99 LAL
13. Dwyane Wade 30.36 2008-09 MIA
14. Tracy McGrady 30.27 2002-03 ORL
15. Shaquille O'Neal 30.23 2000-01 LAL

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html

 

Has this really gone on for 10 pages? God, people must be bored.

 

Glad I'm not the only one who just had this thought.

McGrady arguments are now akin to D&D arguments in more ways than one.

 

I suspect that there's more than two of us! ;-)-