Do you throw away the first-round pick for Payton?

there was an article some weeks back with the interesting stats of the celtics having a very high percentage of losing when payton dished out 8 assists or more, or when he had more than 11 shot attempts. If both number of assist and shot attempts were reached then celtics would definately lose.

 

Half a season... didn't JVG exume Walt Williams sarcophagus so he could play during playoffs? GP would probably play another 3 years in the system if the money's right.

 

I meant Charlie Ward.

 

I'm against trading the pick in the 1st place, but if you guys are going to come up with trade scenarios for acquiring a PG using our pick as the "bait" in the deal, why not suggest somebody better than Payton?

Rafer Alston? Speedy Claxton? Earl Watson? Just some names off the top of my head.....

 

I think our team still has a ways to go and getting a quick fix in payton doesn't really give us much more than a few wins for the season and maybe a better chance in the second round. Considering the legs falling off our wagon in about 4-5 years, i'd rather have the pick next year then have the few wins this year.

honestly, I don't think our perogative should be to win it all, nor do I think we have a great chance. Our goal should be to get to the 2nd round, get the experience, grit it out, and make us stronger. Pulling payton in will cheapen the achievements we accomplish. I'd rather get to the 2nd round or confrence finals with our gritty team now than to get there with an old superstar.

 

That Lithuanian guy from the Olympics.

 

If Boston threw us a bone (Kendrick Perkins, 20 year old local product, 8 minutes a game for them or Delonte West, one of their firsts this year, 7 mins a game only 13 games or maybe Welsch), I'd do it.

Payton is somewhat similar in what he produces to Sura. They're nearly identical behind the arc (equal attempts, GP has hit 1 more), and Payton shoots a better percentage from the field. Payton gets an assist more, and 1.5 points more plus 1/2 a turnover less, but 3 rebounds less than Sura.

The problem is playing him. If/when Sura is healthy, does Payton come off the bench? Payton has come off the bench 6 times in his career- all in his 2nd/3rd season, over 10 years ago. Wesley could come off the bench, but while a GP/Sura backcourt could be effective, we'd sacrifice our 3 point shooting.

We'd get dibs on signing Payton first in the offseason without using our exception.

Something else to think about- if we are planning on bringing both Spanoulis AND Badiane over next year, do we really have room for a 3rd rookie? The status of those two I think is important in determining how much our 2005 first rounder means to us.

 

I believe they gave up a second round pick + Campbell for Arroyo. Arroyo would be great if we could get him. I would be more willing to give up a first round pick for him than i would be for Payton.

 

1 first round pick, that is what we are talking about! Its not even a high pick! I think that this question boils down to how far you feel this team can go this year, because if you feel they can possibly get to the 2 round or further, then I say trading the pick for depth/insurance is a smart thing.

 

I stand corrected.

 

Things just turned so quickly. I thought everyone would have had a nice break during the five days' vacation so they can be healthy enough to finish the season. Then ban, Sura got hurt. That is the last thing we want during the break. And it was not his knee, it was his back! Like the old Chinese saying says, when back luck comes, it is usually not alone.

And no, I won't trade first round pick for Payton. You can use the pick to upgrade PF or PG position during the summer. Payton's contract gonna expire this summer, you don't want to sign him a long term. But if you don't sign him, you lose him for nothing. That definitely isn't a good deal.

 

My biggest problem with Payton is his defense which is now non-existent.

Payton will cause Yao to foul out in 20 minutes.

 

The Pistons gave up a 1st round pick for Arroyo. Nike, even if Badiane and Spanoulis are brought to the camp we can't be sure if they will make it to the team. Retaining our 1st round pick could get us a good player.
Sorry I didn't see Clutch's post.

 

If Sura is out, let's get Payton for a first rounder. This team needs a 1 badly to free TMac from ball handling roles.

I have a gut feeling that we can at least get to the second round this year. With a little luck, it's not totally out of question that we face Spurs in the Western conference final.

 

I'm watching Payton with Boston on NBA tv right now and the guy is out there leading. He's calling huddles and the players are listening to him. He still has it. I hope the Rockets are able to get him.

 

I would get Payton for our 1st round pick in a heartbeat.

Strickland and Barrett are both horrible.

And considering the Rocket's lack of skill at drafting players, I think Payton would be much more valuable to us than whatever stiff they draft in the first round who won't even wind up playing a minute for us.

 

Cannot believe that you guys are so NEGATIVE on Payton. Dude is 10 times better than Strickland + Barrett.

Is Sura is out for the season and we don't make a trade for a 1, I can easily see that we battle for the 8th seed or miss the playoffs.

We cannot win lots of games when getting 0 points from 1 on a nightly basis.

 

Gary Payton is good, but I do not give a first round pick for him because he does not fill in our biggest weekness which is at the four position. Against good rebounding teams like Seattle you can see the weakness in rebounding at the four position something that can be attained with a first round pick whether through the draft or by trade.