Do you think the Rockets would have won both of them championships if MJ never left?

Philly 66-67

 

T-mac & Yao + RING = Rookie

 

ok but wilt chamberlain would be just another center in jordan's era.

 

BAN THIS MAN

 

you have to come up with something better than regular season records man......I wasn't asking you anyway, haha...

While I think he wouldn't be "as" dominate, Wilt would be a HOF in any era.....he played great against Kareem, Kareem played great against Hakeem, Hakeem played great against Shaq....and so on..........dude was a bad man.

 

LMAO...hahaha

 

What .....a.....compelling....argument.

 

killed is an overstatement.............the Laker team from '01 is about the only team in recent histoy that just absolutely ran through their competition....................

 

nothing is wrong with believing that, but you just have to come up with solid arguments to support your claims (they do exist you just have to say them, lol)

 

And you must be a fool if you thought wilt could post 100 pts in 80s, i never said he wouldnt be a Hof, but he aint that great, i am speaking from neutrality, and i wasnt a fan of the rockets during hakeem days to begin with, but hakeem would probably still match up well to wilt or better.

 

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You're "speaking from neutrality," and I'm not? What exactly are you basing that statement on?

You said "Wilt would be just another center in Jordan's era." I never said he'd score 100 points in the 80s. That's beside the point. The point is Wilt would NEVER, EVER be "just another center" in ANY era. And yes, that statement does imply that he wouldn't be a HOFer.

You're in SERIOUS denial if you think Hakeem would "own" Wilt.

 

but he was "that great"......the human body didn't go through some major evolution over a 30 year period, lol......I think everyone is in agreement that he wouldn't have scored a 100, but he would still be one of the greatest to ever play the game..........and I'm a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE Hakeem fan boy, but I would never say he would "own" Wilt Chamberlin......

 

what if, what if, what if.

what if the tuck rule was there when the patriots faced the raiders, would there have been a patriots dynasty?

we won the 2 rings. we are in the record books as a 2-time champions. period.

 

Jordan was overrated in the sense that he's given too much credit as a one man wrecking crew that demolished everyone in the NBA but that simply wasn't the case. He had very solid clutch role players on both 3 peats. Without Pippen he likely wouldn't have had a ring the first 3 peat. And as much as I dislike Pippen he is one of the 50 greatest NBA players all time for a reason. And the one year Jordan did retire those same Bulls went to the WCF and pushed the Knicks to 7 games before being eliminated. That Bulls team was stacked whether or not Jordan came into the picture. It's likely they would have beaten the Knicks in 93-94 and that would have been the Bulls best shot at beating the Rockets, but I just don't see it happening.

Without Horace Grant resigning with the Bulls, and Rodman the Bulls probably wouldn't have won their second 3 peat. Hakeem couldn't do it on his own, nor could Jordan. Don't care how great you are, it takes a great team to go all the way. That's the only thing that pissed me off about the Jordan legacy. You'd think it was a 1v5 game out there and Jordan did everything on his own. Again no Pippen, or Rodman would mean no rings for Jordan.

Also we matched up too well with them. Maxwell was crazy enough to not get phased by Jordan and Jordan's ability to drive in the paint would have been contained merely by Hakeem's presence. Jordan was known for working around the baseline to get his buckets but Hakeem would have shut that down for the most part. So that leaves Jordan who didn't really implement his midrange fade away jumper that he stole from Dream by the way, and even admitted as much, to go against Maxwell and Elie on the perimeter.

Horry would have matched up against Pippen and at least contained him. Horry is known for stepping it up and playing all-star caliber which he seemed to come through with more often than not against the Rockets.

Pair that with our line of clutch perimeter shooters like Elie, Horry, Smith, Maxwell, and having two inside defensive presences like Otis Thorpe and Hakeem and you have a nightmare match up for any team, including the Bulls.

All that said, if the Rockets don't get their first ring, its possible they may not have gotten their second. The Rockets were struggling that second year and no one picked them to win back to back until Drexler was signed and its possible he may not have joined the Rockets had they not won their first ring. No Drexler that second year, and no ring for the Rockets.

So I think its either they win both or they win none. I think they win both, and I think they would have hindered the Bulls in the Finals more often were it not for the Seattle Supersonics and their illegal zone defense that abused.

Jordan isn't the basketball messiah without the teammates he was paired with, and he didn't win squat until Pippen came into the picture. And he wouldn't have 3 more rings when he came back, rested, and rejuvenated were it not for Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, and Harper.

 

I was a Sonics Fan back then... and the Sonics had the Rox number back then...

if the Sonics the #1 seed both years didnt lose to the #8 seed both years in a row...

they themseleves would have knocked out the Rox...

the Sonics... had that same problem today's Rox have... playing down to the level of your competition...

the Dream may have been one of the best Centers ever....

but M.J is the best player ever....

Chicago would have been too good....