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Do you think Kobe was guilty?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Franchise3, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. Franchise3

    Franchise3 Member

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    So what does a guy do if he is falsely accused of rape? That happened to my friend and it almost ruined his life.

    I don't really understand what your post has to do with Kobe in particular. In some cases, they guy did rape the girl. In others, he didn't. Both happen. In Kobe's case, I think there is far more than a reasonable doubt the he raped her.
     
  2. Locke

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    I dont care.
    I hated him before the case, and I hate him still.
     
  3. ubigred

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    if she got raped .....y would she send text messages to her friends describing his penis size. Why would she have sex with someone else just hours after the "attack"
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    I don't think she initially wanted money...her friends labeled her emotionally unstable. She could've wanted attention but didn't realize how much attention she would get.
     
  5. Shroopy2

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    Her identity was mostly confidential so that'd be a strange way to go about getting it. but,
    She was a cheerleader (attention)
    She tried out for American Idol before the incident (obvious attention)
    She got pregnant and married during the trial (attention)

    I think he was very very demanding and arrogant about it and she probably got "distraught" for a second, but couldnt resist.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I guess I missed that part, what did she say, LOL.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't know where the legal distinction is. I don't think Kobe raped her out of intent to just rape someone, but I don't think he knew where to stop. That could be rape.

    Here is what Kobe had to say about it.

    This statement by Kobe certainly doesn't make it seem like it was all just a trick to grab his money, if even he can understand that she thought it was rape.
     
  8. Nolen

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    The "statement" by Kobe has been brought up a few times now. An apology or similar statement was part of the deal in the settlement. Kobe (or rather his team) had to say something because that is what was negotiated. It may or may not reflect what he actually thinks.
     
  9. emjohn

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    I have a friend that was raped, and I don't think it has anything to do with this.

    Enough got leaked in this case to make it clear, in my eyes, that:
    -Kate (the girl in question) was not a victim of forcible rape. At best, consensual intimacy went further than she wanted and she was a silent victim. "No" was apparently never said.

    -There good reason to believe that this was a premeditated trap on the part of Kate, as it got out that she had mentioned a very similar situation in which she would sleep with/sue Eminem the next time he stayed at the hotel.

    -A ton of stuff leaked about Kate's habitual drug use and mental issues, including stays at institutes.

    -A ton of stuff leaked about Kate having sex with her boyfriend not long after the incident and the medical examination turning up different semen as well as questions whether the injuries originated from rape or rough sex (gray area).

    -The way that the criminal suit was dropped in advance of the civil suit further shed doubt as to her intentions (the findings of the criminal suit have major bearings on the civil suit, though a civil suit on its own puts less burden on the plaintiff). It really solidified her intent in my mind.

    Speculating, the final settlement seemed to be all about preventing testimony from being given in court and publicly humiliating Kobe (any more than had already happened). It was a general consensus among experts that Kate had no chance in either the criminal or civil courts that she was a victim of rape - in particular that Kobe could have had any clue that it was anything but consensual.

    So......
    Do I think Kobe raped her? No way. I think for the most part, large numbers of people reveled in seeing Kobe's (phony) perfect superstar / Jordan mimicing trashed and set on fire with the scandal. Kobe has as many detractors as fans, and this court case will ALWAYS be used to jab at him. His selling out Shaq to the cops, buying off of his wife with the purple diamond, and other acts fueled the fire.

    Evan
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    According to her legal pre-trial testimony she said that she repeatedly said no, and that Kobe held her tighter each time she said that.
     
  11. twoface723

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    I don't think he raped her...
     
  12. JuanValdez

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    I think it was somewhere in between. Probably falls short of the legal definition of rape. But, it was definitely aggressive behavior on Kobe's part, and definitely exploitative. If I were to level a moral judgement on Kobe, I think those elements would comprise the majority of the crime. So, I still find him (and probably 8 bazillion other men) morally culpable, even as he did stop short of culmination of the crime.
     
  13. hotballa

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    they probably got into some heavy play, the girl changed her mind at the last minute and said no, Kobe's animal instinct got the better of him, etc.
     

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