Do you take people less seriously if they don't use basic grammar...?

no .. . this is leisure

This is like b****ing at the local YMCA cause someone doesn't run a
text book pick and roll . . or wanna break into a 2-3 zone

Holding someone to the same standard in their downtime
as to their worktime . . .seems a bit *ssinine and overly judgemental

OH MY GOD!!! . . HE IS NOT WEARING A COLLAR SHIRT !!!
OH MY GOD!!! . . . SHE WEARING WHITE AFTER LABOR DAY!!!

If you see a co worker after work . . .and he not in his normal suit and tie
. . h*ll he maybe in Jorts at his home bar b queing . .. . do you think less of him???
I mean . . THE MAN IS IN JORTS FOR CRIPES SAKE!!!!
. . and .. . and. . HE DIDN'T SHAVE ON THE WEEKEND!!!
OH MY GOD!!!

Rocket River
. . . just another way people seek to make themselves feel superior to another person . . . .

all things in moderation

 

Basically
The funny part is. . these the same people
that will b*tch about the 'beautiful no talented' people getting run over the 'talented ugly folx'

it is basically the same argument the same thing
STYLE over SUBSTANCE

It is a bit hypocritical
to say . . . SPELLING AND GAMMAR [HOW IT LOOKS] will trump CONTENT [WHAT IT IS SAYING]
then
turn around and b**** about Britney Spears [Making Millions cause she looks 'hot] and saying Susan Boyle [who's content is good singing talent but no so attractive]
doesn't get enough credit

In this case. . .folx are saying
uhm . . i didn't really read what you said. . .cause it doesn't look like it is intelligent
with
Susan Boyle . . no one listened to her sing cause she didn't look like she could

Rocket River

 

So you are saying that because 'this is leisure' that it's easier for you to not use proper grammar? Or are you saying that since this is leisure, you are more likely to write in a way that comes more naturally. Well, if the latter explanation is accurate, then bad spelling and bad grammar come naturally to you. No? Is that not an indicator of intelligence?

I'd argue that the second quote above is indicative of a consistent pattern of poor grammar, not a shortcut taken for leisure.

 

Grammar and Spelling are not indicators of intelligence at all
They are not more an indicator of intelligence than following the instructions to a recipe. The are a set of rules and regulations.
One can choose to follow them . . .or not.
Basically . . . . . I think that . . .to borrow a phrase from you.
They are for 'sheeple' to follow so they don't have to bother about 'thinking' and applying their knowledge to understand what someone else is saying.


They are indicators of a williingness to constantly subscribe to a set of rules and regulations.

You see . . . Language is a tool. Spelling and Grammar are Techniques
Ways of using the tools . . . to gain a ends [in this case communications]
The history of science is full of those . . .. those who create and invent new techniques
*breaking from the rules and regulations of the field*
[which also are seen as foolish and less intelligent]
who
in the end expand and broaden the field more and more
which one could argue .. . . made them MORE Intelligent

Are you intelligent enough to follow the logic and the comparison
or
will you just bluster and GAFAWK and go back to your cubbie whole of conformity?

Rocket River

 

So you are excusing your poor spelling and grammar on the grounds that you don't like to 'follow the rules and regulations' and you like to think. That's a novel perspective. And ridiculous, of course.

Basically your post above is a long winded attempt at rationalizing your posting laziness.

 

To me it's pretty simple.

1. Bad grammar, punctuation, and capitalization makes posts harder to read.
2. I dislike having to read hard-to-read posts.
3. Hence I don't read such posts.

 

I see you chose the latter

You chose to: just bluster and GAFAWK and go back to your cubbie whole of conformity

Rocket River
. . . as i knew you would . . .. predictably

 

RR, I don't consider your style a "lack of basic grammer" at all. In my opinion, and you may disagree, of course, you deliberately post in an artistic manner in order to express your inner Id. Unlike those that are lazy or uneducated (and there are far too many here, stumbling around), your style shows the Rocket River that you want to stroll through the BBS... not caring whether it fits the "BBS nomenclature" common among those who take the time to use basic grammar, etc., because you are Rocket River. Not everyone else.

I'm much the same myself, even if our styles couldn't be more different. Our fundamental desire to go our own way because we like it, everyone else be damned (in a manner of speaking), should be accepted and even admired (that's where "Ego" comes in, ha, ha!). I've never lumped you into the vast lazy herd that rumbles through ClutchFans, thinking that it is a jumped-up ESPN slam fest, which it most assuredly is not. And before someone slams me, I'm a terrible speller. I look words up all the time. My curse is that I'm widely read and possess a large vocabulary drifting around in my head, largely unused, at least on page. Something that is both a blessing and a curse. Thank god for google. It saves me from misspelling even more than I do already!

So don't waste time worrying (and I bet you don't). An "artist" can't. Time is too valuable.

 

It doesn't take much effort to use correct grammar when you type anything. As others have said, you don't need to be perfect but don't be lazy. Also, IMO, in order to use grammar properly you need to practice it so it becomes second nature. If you "practice" lazy writing and speaking you will fall into that mode easily. It will become part of your "style" so to speak.

I had a student who was hired as an intern by somebody my boss knew. All of a sudden, before he had even started, the guy said he wasn't needed anymore. The reason? The kid sent this guy an e-mail and used "leisure" grammar. He didn't punctuate or capitalize correctly. The kid didn't write his e-mail that way because he was ignorant but because that's how he wrote all his e-mails. Most all of his messages were to his friends and he got into the habit of using "net-speak" (is that what it's called?). So, because he developed a habit of using bad grammar in e-mails he lost a job.

I'm not saying what that guy did was the right thing to do as this kid was good, worked hard and responsible (more important, to me, than writing skills for this particular job) but that's how he felt and he's entitled to his opinion.

 

Depends on the situation. In most cases, no. I'm a dirty immigrant with poor communication and grammar skills. Who am I to judge others?

 

Yes. Basic grammar is really quite simple, and though some of you may disagree, I rarely see an intelligent post written by someone whose grammar resembles a teenage girl's text message. In particular, I have yet to see a good post from somebody who can't use basic punctuation and paragraphs to organize their thoughts.

Now that's not to say that everyone who uses perfect grammar always have something intelligent to say (definitely not). Also, there are people here for whom English is a 2nd language and thus their posts may have some subject-verb agreement errors; however, these posters can still make sense as long as their thought are organized.

Still, good grammar really is easy, and using it everywhere will only improve your ability to use it where it really counts.

 

I have learned to dismiss Rocket River's blatantly incorrect use of the ellipses (sometimes . .. . other times .... . many times .. ), because he has great points. I will assume some things about Mr. River's education which I will not post here, but he is on a roll with some of his insight and I appreciate him offering well-thought-out arguments. I enjoy reading his posts even though they're full of grammatical errors.

There are other posters that have both the intellect, basketball IQ, Rockets' history and knowledge, and good NBA memory to write stuff well and properly. There are other posters who don't have either.

Some... just... don't give a darn and use the lowly "it's the Interwebs man? Why you bustin' my ***** about my grammar!" excuse, which I won't take.

Yes, I take most people less seriously. If they cannot accept that they're incorrectly using the language they're supposed to be speaking and writing better than some foreigner like me, I cannot take them seriously.

 

This.

 

and this.

 

I judge based on a combination of style and content. There are some on here that I can read and respect despite taking liberties with the English language. Others are either too painful on style alone or painful enough in style and content that I simply cannot read.

Personally, I don't fully understand the whole "this is not a professional forum" argument for people who are native speakers to not write properly. If you know how to do it, why would it be easier not to? River clearly changes words on purpose and that is fine but he is not making the same argument.

My writing and speaking are the same because that is just how I am. Sometimes my academic writing might become more formal but that is generally the subject matter dictating different words more than a concerted effort on my part.

 

buying fish in a store is more timely and efficient
but
not nearly as fun and relaxing than fishing

Rocket River

 

Yup. I think a lack of basic communication ability (I'm not talking about typos and the like) speaks volumes about a persons overall intelligence.

And if they are intelligent and just don't care enough to make sure that what they are trying to say is clear, then it's not worth my time to read what they're trying to say.

 

If people consistently misspell words and show a lack of fundamental grammar, I don't take them seriously. They don't take themselves seriously, so why should I?

A misspelled word here and there or a comma splice doesn't make a difference to me. It's the people who consistently show that they are ignorant when it comes to basic English that I ignore.

 

It really annoys me, when people can't use basic grammar (as in within a single sentence people can get words the wrong way round). Spelling isn't that annoying for me so that I must correct them with a different post, but the most annoying thing is when people try to act all 'hip' and 'cool' on the INTERNET by using, well those ckinds of words.