I quoted the ICE release that said 475 gang members. They then broke it down into specific gang affiliation. Try getting SOMETHING right before calling people liars. That's two confirmed lies from you in 10 minutes. Pathetic.
The lie you were defending was in trump's tweet (and the subject of this very thread, for that matter) was specific to MS-13. But keep trying... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...bolishment-of-ice.292008/page-4#post-11853451
I voted no, but I would support it if there was a better-proposed alternative. That could be a revamped and improved INS, or something else.
I remember because of a primer impacto piece, but washington dc had an arrest of 1,000 gang members in 2005 from the 18th st gang and the ms-13. There are a lot of gang members in yuge cities, many don't know that. It was such a huge problem it even captivated the minds of BONES director, in the Episode, "THE WOMAN IN THE GARDEN" from season 2, one of my favorite episodes. mara SALVAtrucha was also referenced by beck, in his 2004 awesome hit, "Que onda guero." 'run better run, da doo run, run, mara salvatrucha in the midnight sun.' Here Beck is inviting us to his neighborhood back in California. He was a guero growing up in a Salvadoran barrio. In the midnight sun alludes to the risks of staying up past night time due to the ms-13. The midnight sun is also a mother nature sensation, where in the summer, the sun can be seen for 24 hours. Can you believe it? 24 hours! At the time, I thought the album "Guero" was just o.k nothing special. Since then, It's the most glorious Beck album and a masterpiece. Knowing it didn't win a grammy, makes me despise the awards even more. And though it's cute to try to pass of all immigrants as ms-13 like some fox reporters, You can't be MEXICAN and be a maraSALVAtrucha. Personally, I'm scared of asian gangs. When I heard that asian gangs thrived in Minnesota, I was freaked the hell out. They're tremendous with the maths and can handle an uzi. the human race does not stand a chance.
Guero is a fine album and continues the fantastic use of multichannel audio previously used in Sea Change. Unlike Sea Change it is a return to his previous work and yet seems a bit unfocused. Where Sea Change is a total concept album about a singular harsh personal pain, Guero is more of a chaotic sonic crash. Sea Change is also advantaged in that was made available on the vastly superior Blu Ray audio. The High Fidelity Pure Audio format for full uncompressed 5.1 craps all over the sonically inferior and dead DVD-A format Guero died in. Hopefully you have not limited yourself to listening in two channel as both need multichannel audio to be enjoyed as the artist intended.
Embracing the lunatic fringe in the party is very likely to lead to the polls getting worse and worse for the DNC.
Not like it matters what the left does, you'll call it lunatic and fringe unless it's conservative. Anyways, since I like to rely on a semblance of facts instead pushing my opinion on the majority... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tically/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4db71126088 Not all Americans are impressed with the authoritarian shift that the right has taken.
That's not true, I would absolutely appreciate it if the left started pushing back on the lunatic fringe and moved back closer to the middle. They don't have to be conservative, just not radical. As to the authoritarian shift on the right, which is something that has absolutely happened, I'm right there with you. I don't support the left's authoritarian shift of late, I don't support the right's authoritarian shift of late. That said, I don't consider enforcing immigration laws to be "authoritarian"
I certainly support reform and a leadership change with a new mission statement & procedures to follow. No reason to just abolish it. It’s a tool for our government that just needs to be used to actually benefit US citizens. Not as a political weapon for one party to abuse the power they have with law enforcement.
The whole ICE thing is part politics but there are also some things about it that just are not a good look. We have to ensure those that enforce order are actually doing that and not abusing their power. We can't have a deportation force like this, they have to be checked, it can't turn into some thing where we have officers of the law deporting people (who will mostly be hispanic) lightly. It really isn't a good look. There have been tons of horror stories of people being pulled away from whatever they are doing. Now, most abolish ICE people aren't saying open borders, just that they don't like what ICE represents, especially since Trump changed the rules or rather the focus of what it was for. Now the politics part of it, it could definitely bite the Dems in the behind, but I think they will rely on the numerous stories of parents being separated away from American children to hammer the issue home.
I think that the extreme left have done their best to make it political, but it really shouldn't be. Countries have to have borders and laws and they have to be enforced or you don't have a country. So long as those who are being detained and deported are illegal immigrants, criminals, then I have no problem with it. If there were reports of US citizens being detained or deported due to their ethnicity then I'd have a problem with it. I think the "Abolish ICE" movement is started by those who are for open borders, but they'll attract people who simply bought into the recent DNC propaganda suggesting that ICE is doing something morally wrong when that clearly isn't the case. Pushing for essentially a name change from ICE back to INS or whatever is really foolish. It would be similar to people jumping on the "Abolish the Fed" bandwagon and only wanting to call the Federal Reserve something else.
ICE is a tool to be used in combatting illegal immigration. Right now the person in charge of using that tool is horrible and is misusing the tool. I understand the idea of removing the tool from the user's hands. I think that will only be effective if other measures are used to regulate how the tool is used.
Well, you don't get to decide what is morally wrong or right. So the argument centers around that. I think pulling parents away from US born children is wrong and that ICE should focus on the actual dangerous immigrants instead of people that are just trying to make the best of their lives.
That's definitely a stark contrast. I get it that's a gimmick, but even if they just showed an interview with Trump the contrast would still be stark.
This Bronx incident just keeps getting crazier... Eight men, all of whom are said to be members of the Dominican street gang Trintarios, were arrested earlier this week and charged in Guzman-Feliz's death. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...x-tape-says-hes-disgusted-angry-daughter.html
Well I get to decide it as much as anyone else. If you really thought about it though, you'd realize that you have 2 options when criminals are detained when they have their children with them and there is no next of kin. You either lock them up together, which would violate a court ruling....meaning that it would be illegal, or you separate the parent from their child. This is something that happens to US citizens literally every day, but when it happens to illegal immigrants somehow it becomes "immoral" according to DNC propaganda. When you say that they should focus on "actual dangerous immigrants", you are suggesting that by always enforcing the law you are somehow not getting the "actual dangerous immigrants" too and this isn't the case.
Actually it is the case due to a concept known as "limited resources". Obama created a pilot program for 700 families seeking asylum who crossed illegally. Instead of detaining them, in this program, they were released with a court summons and had a case officer track them till their court date. This program had a 99% rate for those families to acrually show up to their court date. That proccess cost an average of 52 dollars per week while Trump's method of dentaining costs 900 dollars per week per family. Fiscal conservative my ass. Also, don't be an ass and repeatedly regurgitate the same line that legal citizens are treated worse. You've done this about twenty times now on the D&D. With non violent misdemeanors, the vast majority of cases, the judge sets a court date and allows the individual charged out on bail if they are not considered a violent threat to society .
