If the intention of the Democratic party is not ultimately open-borders, then ICE has a role to play. Shouldn't Democrats be focused on fixing it (e.g. the way it encourages racial profiling and the way it discourages people in certain communities from engaging with law enforcement), rather than abolishing it?
-Abolish ICE and any forms of border control -Prevent businesses from hiring illegals and any other means for them to support themselves outside of the system -blame Republicans for not passing welfare and other benefits for illegals. Its either stop illegal immigration full stop or give them a means to support themselves. Otherwise they are stuck in extreme poverty and resort to crime.
how do you feel about trump constantly attacking the nations top law enforcement agency and our court system? are trump and all his sycophants "leftist" too?
The left has no desire to fix anything they can spin into a campaign issue. They never let a good tragedy go to waste and invent one every chance they get.
Replace left with right. And people wonder why rarely anything get done. People can’t see possible good in the other side while they have a flip image for their own side. Such amazing deep deep delusion.
It's not like we had open borders before ICE existed though. I get what you are saying, but if the very term "ICE" is synonymous with bad things, you just get rid of it and start over. It's like you don't try to fix the Gestapo. You guys tore down a moderate democratic administration. Called everything Obama did extreme to the point that most liberals DGAF what conservatives think now. Obama tried to work with the other side and was met with nothing but obstruction and insults. So this is what you get. You're gonna get Democrats like Ocasio who has no plans on working with conservatives, and good, because if she tried she'd get nothing for it. I think the Democrats have learned the hard way that the modern day GOP is playing for keeps and when they get power again they will do the same. The next Democratic president will have you daydreaming about the Obama days.
We didn't have open borders before ICE, so no ICE doesn't have to exist for that to be true. What they want is it to fall under a different agency (I think she wants the Justice department rather than Homeland security). There has always been a question of whether Homeland security needs to exist as a department on its own.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortex is an extremist. The current President of the United States is an extremist. There are a number of Senators on both sides of the aisle that are extremists. That is the political climate that we live in. I don't like it....... I don't think that it is a long term winning strategy for either party but it isn't a fluke, as evidenced by the election of the President and the strong performance by Bernie Sanders. The election of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortex was not good for the democrat party.
Call it something else if that makes people more comfortable. The important thing is identifying what it’s doing wrong and fixing it. I don’t think it’s necessarily something that requires a ground-up reboot.
The fact that you guys have moved so far to the left that you think Obama was a moderate just kind of shows what the problem really is.
Why isn't Obama a moderate? Let's actually hear it Bobby. Let's hear the exact reasons why Obama wasn't a moderate or why he's an extreme leftist.
The reason he never accomplished anything meaningful while in office was because his entire agenda was political non-starters that he struggled to even sell the more moderate members of his own party on. He had to outright bribe them to support Obamacare. I don't think you appreciate just how much the Democratic party has moved left since Obama was elected, things that were considered radical fringe left ideas before Obama are now considered mainstream and the fringe left is considerably more radical today than it was before Obama. Sure Obama got very little accomplished, but he was constantly pushing ideology and the current state of the Democratic party is his legacy. I mean, just compare his agenda to Clinton's agenda when he was president....Clinton looks like a fairly conservative right winger by comparison. Hell, just look at the things Obama was having to say early on in his candidacy and presidency to those things he was saying by the end....he knew he couldn't get away with saying what he actually thought early on because things hadn't yet moved that far left.
You mean the ultra leftist healthcare policy that had many of its ideas shared with the GOP Heritage plan of 1989? Again, no nuance.
Obamacare was proposed by Republicans numerous times, Obama passing Romney's healthcare proposal doesn't make him an extremist. When polled, Americans AGREE with Democrats. How can a position be extreme when the majority believes it? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...overnment-should-ensure-health-care-coverage/ Obama got little accomplished because the GOP obstructed everything he did. Two questions. What was an extremist position from Obama AND Who actually is a moderate liberal in your mind?
Unhinged rightists don't either, but they've pretty much taken over the House via gerrymandering. The problem, as others have pointed out, is that you're pushing the democratic party much further left now. Agree on removing an organization, especially one like the EPA, but oh well.
