Trump literally bragged about killing a bill that would have been a bipartisan path to immigration reform. That Bill was drafted in partnership with the Biden admin. Trump and Repugs played politics with the issue to try and score political points in the election and they know trumps supporters were ignorant, and gullible. So far the only thing Trump has done is get the big bill passed which only gave huge tax breaks to billionaires and increased funding for ICE which does nothing for comprehensive immigration reform. It just wasted more money on overpaying ice agents and putting more untrained morons on American streets which leads to people getting needlessly killed like Good. So let’s stop the gloating about Trump being some immigration mastermind. Biden actually was ready to pass a comprehensive reform bill which would have brought order to the process and not just throwing tax payer money down the drain to score political points.
Immigration crackdown is bullshit, this is not cracking down it is illegal imprisonment where we have 68,000 people locked up without due process charging around $175 per day from our government to house them. This is filling Trump's buddies PRIVATE Prisons up and stealing tax payers money. This is a GRIFT, EVERYTHING Trump does is a grift. People supporting it are too stupid to know what is really going on. DD
Do you leftists agree that BILLIONS in theft by Somalians is good for poor and middle-class Americans?
Our population and economy should shrink. Importing people just so those at the top of the capitalist pyramid can make more money is insane. Controlled degrowth and a circular economy is the future. Our current form of capitalism has run it's course.
Are you betting all of your life savings on this outcome? You might ask ChatGPT if this is a great idea.
Maybe this will be characterized as "open border" but here is a succinct version of what I support. I believe the sustained development of illegal immigration demonstrates that our domestic economy has demand for immigrant labor that was being denied by legal pathways for desired workers to come and work. So, I want to create a process that creates a clear and transparent legal way for foreign workers to work those jobs. Doing so will undermine the drive to migrate and work illegally. Reducing that pressure, plus immigration enforcement and enforcement of labor law on employers should drastically reduce the undocumented immigrant phenomenon. We attempted a big compromise bill that would do something like this back during the Obama admin, but Republicans pulled out of it and now we're screwed. I suspect they did because it is not the illegal immigration they have a problem with, but immigration in general. And yet a fairly recent one too. Before the 19th century, no one was doing border control. And yet somehow record deportations. I see this claim from you and other MAGA here a lot and invariably its hard to read the rest of the post after opening with something so demonstratively false as the axiomatic claim. Maybe there were many things wrong with the Biden immigration policy, but being open wasn't one of them. If that's where you're going to start, I can't be bothered to see where the argument goes from there. Maybe we need to backpedal from this thread topic to something even more remedial: what does "open borders" mean to you? Because it really seems like MAGA and liberals are speaking different languages on this one.
I see it the opposite. That modernity of airplanes & ship travel made borders necessary. If for no other reason than being a filter, for all the loose migrations place to place. . The world might be a little nicer NOW. But 19th century still had strong "colonizer" takeover nations. So the enemy coming in occupying freely without deterrent is valid cause for concern
Your emotion is clouding your judgment. Open borders means training people what to say at the border in order to get in on whatever grounds - asylum, persecution etc. Removing parts of the border wall so people can flood in en masse. There are numerous interviews of people at the wall saying what they were coached to say. Encouraging them to come here via NGO's under the guise that everything will work out with free lodging, food and job opportunities, it is worth the risk. And then forcing them into marginalized communities where resources are already limited. It was as open border as you could get - Majorkas knew exactly what he was doing.
Yup, particularly with AI, this is when you put the breaks on and figure out what can be sustainable. Because as it stands you are telling people to cram into cities at record pace, making things unaffordable for those who aren't already established, then abolishing private property so you can start building in everyone's backyard. Rural areas consolidating is a good thing as well and the foundation of revitalizing non-majors.
The whole open border charade really isn't more complicated than this. The fact democrats convinced people having voter ID was racist then admitting having ICE agents at polling stations would mean less votes shows how collectively stupid we've become.
Poor and middle-class Americans get cheated while rich, Democratic, elites, further enrich themselves and radical leftists such as @Amiga cheer it on.
What emotion is that?? My definition of an open border would be that the border is free to pass, like one is free to pass through an open door. That is obviously not what is happening and it obviously not what MAGA means by it, because they allude to many devious machinations that are done to open this border. But it strikes me that 'open borders' is one of these rhetorical word choices that fails to increase understanding and only divides people on emotion or maybe tribal identity. So even if I wanted open borders (or ardently opposed them), I'd never use that term because others wouldn't understand what I meant by it. It seems to me that the crux of this accusation is the asylum process. That the system is gamed by immigrants who are coached to ask for asylum and lie about their situation to gain entry into the country while their case is processed. Then if their asylum claim is denied, they just disappear in the crowd and live here illegally until ICE finds them. Is that what you mean by an open border? If that's so, we have been open since 1980 or at least 1996. We passed the Refugee Act of 1980 with very strong bipartisan support -- the Senate vote was unanimous -- that created the asylum process. Then we passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, again with very strong bipartisan support, that created the "credible fear" standard. So it's not a Biden thing or an Obama thing; it's been like this through Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden at least. Did some of these administrations have open borders and others have closed borders when the legislation has been in effect the whole time? What makes Trump's border closed? That they detain everyone who applies for asylum at the border to make refugees afraid to apply? Still, asylum might be a bad idea. The world has kinda gone to hell since 1980 and there are ten times as many refugees in the world as when we passed the asylum law. Maybe we overestimated how beneficent we would be. Maybe the networks of NGOs and of human smugglers had time to more fully develop their operations for mustering migrants and optimizing their applications at our borders. I'm okay with changing our system. Where you and I likely differ is that I'm not okay with a president (whether it is Trump or Biden) trying to change the system by how he executes legislation. If we want it changed, the House and Senate should consider a bill to change it in a very thoughtful and deliberate way. If they can find a consensus and the president will sign it, then sure -- end asylum, or make them apply from abroad, or give them a path to citizenship, or whatever it is we decide democratically to do. And that's what it comes down to me -- I don't actually care about immigration one way or the other; I care about democracy and fascism. We passed laws to run the system more or less this way. MAGA doesn't like this system now, but because they do not want to have to make any compromises with fellow citizens with a different point of view, they insist on making policy changes by presidential decree instead of congressional act. So long as they are on that track, I oppose every substantive change they want before I even consider whether it is a good or bad idea because they are trying to enact change in the wrong branch of government. MAGA has not attempted passing a law. And sure the democrats would reflexively oppose, but Republicans control the House, Senate, and Presidency. They could pass a big immigration bill. The One Big Beautiful Bill increased funding for border security but didn't change the credible fear standard, much less abolish asylum. The 2024 Bipartisan Border Deal during the Biden Admin that Trump had submarined by ordering Republicans not to support it would have raised the credible fear standard and make other restrictions on how, when, and where asylum can be applied for. If asylum is what makes the border open, Trump killed the only credible attempt at closing it and then replaced it with nothing but a violent crackdown on brown people. So, the tldr of it is if 'open borders' means promoting and defending a mechanism of importing brown people to the country with a facade of legality provided by amnesty law, no I'm not a proponent. I am instead an advocate for the rule of law, the primacy of the legislative branch, and the democratic process.
I see it as a pragmatic response to the way the world has changed and more importantly -- the fact that democrats will never acknowledge it out of fear of losing power via the "immigrant vote". Why else would they call voter ID racist? Why else would they object to ICE agents at polling stations? There is alot of voter fraud being uncovered that benefits democrat politicians who have never ending promises for the "immigrant dream" - the carrot on a stick, which encourage this atmosphere -- After this explosion of uncontrollable illegal movement for 4 years the Biden admin claimed to be "helpless" against, the month after Trump comes into office, you have Illegal border crossing numbers plummeted in February: report It really was that easy to fix something everyone knew was a problem. So if democrats are governed by the optics of not wanting to be racist , as well as needing every possible vote, why would they ever acknowledge there was a problem in the first place? To understand this issue you have to understand the mind of the post Obama liberal (who they now dislike for actually implementing deportations) and the cynical turn they've taken. This how buffoons like Walz stay in power in Minnesota, fraudulent kickbacks to illegal and legal immigrants via voting blocs. You can't scream racism when the majority of hispanics supported Trump's border policy in 2025. It's common sense to look after the lives of existing citizens and ensure they have access to fair wages, housing amenities and social support over illegals. The positive side effect is cutting out the drug mules for cartels. These realities have to be addressed before the public will be open to pathways to citizenship and legal immigration.
2025 was the worst job growth year in the past decade even with mass deportations lol. You dont even live in America and hide out in Mexico while spewing conspiracies. The Mexican government needs to deport your dumbass. We need to refer you to the Mexican authorities
Its always funny that you dumbasses have no idea what the difference between a "encounter" and an admission. More than half of all encounters were rejected and deported under biden which was actually a higher % than Trumps first term. The only thing you cultists know to do is spew lies and disinformation which works well cuz your fellow MAGATs are extremely illiterate https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden
