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Do you support "open borders"?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DonnyMost, Jan 10, 2026 at 3:34 PM.

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Do you support "open borders"?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    44.7%
  3. This is stupid

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  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

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    All I hear about from anyone who actually knows is that automation and AI will fill roles and 50% unemployment. That will be a great time to have recently imported millions of non-english speaking uneducated workers with no resources.
     
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  2. Bandwagoner

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    When in power the democrats REMOVED physical borders paid for by Arizona and Texas.
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You misunderstood
     
  4. Amiga

    Amiga Member

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    Since you touched on your businesses involving both illegal and legal workers…

    We don’t often talk about it, but both type of immigration are huge drivers of the economy. Some (or perhaps many) believe that reducing the immigrant population would yield more jobs for Americans, but this is a classic lump-of-labor fallacy. In reality, the opposite is more likely: reduced immigration would lead to fewer jobs for Americans.

    It’s frustrating to see politicians politicizing this issue and shooting ourselves in the foot instead of solving it in a way that benefits Americans.
     
  5. Francis3422

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    I would also volunteer that my legal employees are at least paying taxes, not filing tax returns and are very quality people. I have had to go out of my way to protect them recently as we are located in an area that has been subject to ICE abuse.

    This sort of immigration is good for the mid-level economy. The answer is simple. Restrict the border much more, offer an expedited asylum process and a compassionate Amnesty program and then go from there.
     
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  6. tinman

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    Breh you need a fence in front of your house and door
    Same with everyone else
    @Salvy
    @Space Ghost

    only people who want to rob you or free load want that gone

    Remember James harden got someone beat up
    For being at the same stripclub as him
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Countries aren't trying to rob us or each other
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    This is from last July and nothing has changed since:

    Four years after Gov. Greg Abbott announced Texas would be the first state to build its own border wall, lawmakers have quietly stopped funding the project, leaving only scattered segments covering a small fraction of the border.

    That decision, made in the waning hours of this year’s legislative session, leaves the future of the state wall unclear. Just 8% of the 805 miles the state identified for construction is complete, which has cost taxpayers more than $3 billion to date. The Texas Tribune reported last year that the wall is full of gaps that migrants and smugglers can easily walk around and mostly concentrated on sprawling ranches in rural areas, where illegal border crossings are less likely to occur....

    https://www.texastribune.org/2025/06/17/texas-border-wall-funding-ends-abbott-trump/

    Texas Facilities Commission (TFC) Executive Director Mike Novak reported Thursday, August 21, 2025, that TFC awaits policy direction from state and federal policy makers on the future of the Texas Border Wall program.

    https://web.tfc.texas.gov/governmen...rojects/texas-border-wall-construction-status


    State of Texas taxpayers have so far paid ~45 million dollars a mile for the ~64.5 miles of Abbott's totally ineffective vanity "I'm a tough guy, I really am!" wall project.

    Fun Fact: the Texas border with Mexico is 1254 miles.
     
    #28 Buck Turgidson, Jan 12, 2026 at 2:10 AM
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  9. K9Texan

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    If that's true, why then aren't illegal immigrants "huge drivers" of the economies from where they came?

    And if they're so valuable, why do YOU force me to pay for their housing, medical care, food, education, etc.,?
     
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  10. Amiga

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    That's actually two separate questions.

    Question 1 assumes immigrants aren't economic drivers in their home countries, but we don't actually know that's true. Many developing economies DO have strong growth driven by their workforce. The real question is why workers are more productive in some economic contexts than others, and that comes down to infrastructure, institutions, access to capital and markets, rule of law, etc. The same worker can be highly productive in different economies depending on those factors, just like the same worker can be highly productive in some companies versus others.

    Regarding taxes and benefits: Unauthorized (illegal, visa-over-stay, etcs) immigrants are largely ineligible for federal benefits (no welfare, food stamps, Medicaid) but DO pay billions in taxes: sales tax, property tax through rent, and many pay payroll taxes. Most economic studies show they're net contributors, not drains.

    But here's what we actually DO know with hard data: We now have 2025 BLS government data showing what happened when we reduced both legal and illegal immigration. I'm starting a separate thread on this because the results directly address whether immigration helps or hurts American workers, with actual numbers, not assumptions.

    EDIT: here is the thread
     
    #30 Amiga, Jan 12, 2026 at 8:21 AM
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  11. dobro1229

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    People just want orderly processes. Whether its going to Disneyworld, and wanting an orderly and efficient way to get through lines, order meals, etc. or going to the DMV to get a new license, or getting your immigration status updated so you can come here and work.... I think most Americans just want orderly, and efficient processes.

    Of course there are some 30 to 35 % of Americans that just don't want brown people, and are generally pieces of sh$t.... However the 65-70% of Americans who aren't racist fascists just care about having a secure, and orderly process.
     
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  12. K9Texan

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    False.
     
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  13. Amiga

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    Neither Democrats nor the Biden administration have ordered the removal of existing border wall sections in Texas.
    PolitiFact found that funding requests for Customs and Border Protection under the Biden and Trump administrations are comparable. Requests under Biden’s tenure don’t show that the administration is trying to tear down the agency.

    Over the Trump administration’s four years, funding requests for Customs and Border Protection averaged $15.5 billion a year. Over the Biden administration’s two years, funding requests for the agency averaged $15 billion a year. Ultimately, Congress determines how much money goes to executive agencies.

    For fiscal year 2022, the Democratic-controlled Congress appropriated $16.5 billion for the agency, a higher budget than the four enacted under Trump.
     
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  15. raining threes

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    The wall doesn't need to be built now that the border is secured. My question is why did so little wall get built when so much money was spent?
     
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  16. raining threes

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    Are you saying Biden got more money than Trump to build the wall and, or secure the border? He failed miserably at securing the border

    In fact he's trying to eventually change the voting dynamics in this country.
     
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  17. edwardc

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    Numbers don't lie Biden didhe job 47 is the real failure here.
    https://tracreports.org/reports/756/
     
  18. K9Texan

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    Amiga, do you also agree that unlimited theft by Somali immigrants is good for poor and middle-class Americans?

     
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  19. raining threes

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    LMAO

    Unbelievable that you think Biden did a better job securing the border than Trump has done.
     
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