In this interview, Richard Perle argues convincingly for an attack on Iraq- http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/printable/transcript_saddam.html
An Iraqi defector who described himself as a civil engineer said he personally worked on renovations of secret facilities for biological, chemical and nuclear weapons in underground wells, private villas and under the Saddam Hussein Hospital in Baghdad as recently as a year ago. http://209.50.252.70/p_en/news/archives/00000336.htm An Iraqi Defector Warns of Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Research http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/081598ir.htm Defectors reported in December 2001 and March 2002 the existence of mobile germ laboratories disguised as milk delivery trucks, and a network of underground bunkers for chemical and biological weapons production. U.S. officials released evidence on March 8, 2002, allegedly showing that Iraq has been converting dump trucks bought through a UN humanitarian program into military vehicles, in violation of UN sanctions. An Iraqi defector stated that he had converted Renault trucks into mobile laboratories with incubators for bacteria, microscopes and air conditioning. http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/iraq-wmd.cfm IN THE MORE THAN THREE YEARS since Saddam Hussein expelled the U.N. weapons inspectors, he has gotten close to constructing a missile to deliver chemical, biological, and, eventually, nuclear payloads to the capitals of Turkey, Egypt, Cyprus, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, an Iraqi defector tells David Rose in a Vanity Fair exclusive report. http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00000165.htm
Tbagain, thanks for the link it's very interesting, and I wished I could have seen the film that they are talking about. Did you get a chance to see it? I'll have to disagree with what Richard Perle says in the interview though, because not having seen the film, he doesn't really supply any evidence that really links them with 9/11. Also he seems to say that his group feels they know more about Saddam as a terrorist than the U.S. intelligence agencies. While I do disagree with you on this issue, I definitely respect your opinion, and appreciate your information. I had to edit my post, because I didn't see your second post about the defector. That totally sabatoged one of my arguments against Perle. I still disagree with invading Iraq, but those kinds of links do provide me with some new information to think about.
there's nothing wrong w/ sadaam huessein...none of the stuff you here on CNN is true... ...i just think america doesn't want to see a muslim country have any power at all, and that's why they don't want any of these arab nations having oil...thats just my opinion
Put down the crack pipe. Fact, Hussein is not a muslim. He is manipulating you by claiming to be all about 'Arab unity.' Fact, Hussein invaded Iran which was at the time the most fundamental of Islamic regimes. Fact, Hussein invaded Kuwait, another Muslim nation. Fact, Hussein attacked Saudi Arabia, another Muslim nation. Fact, the US has invaded ONE Muslim country, Afghanistan, which was inextricably linked with the Al Queda terrorist attacks on 9/11. Fact, the US supports Muslim regimes in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Afghanistan and others. Who do you think really doesn't want another Muslim country to have any power at all? The US or Iraq?
so why is it that if you ask a true Iraqi citizen who lives there whether or not they like sadaam...they always say they like him better than any other past leader of their nation... if you ask an american...they will say the exact opposite... THAT means...america should mind its own business FOR ONCE
What about North Korea. They too have a nuclear arsenal. Why not go in there and remove their leader, too? Maybe we can get that 7'10" baller out of there in the process.
Not sure what a 'true Iraqi citizen is.' Undoubtably few Iraqis would go on camera and say 'yeah sure, my name is... and I hate Hussein. He kills those that do (long long list of military commanders, politicians, exiles, minorities, and even family members). And I notice you've got no answer for why that great Muslim leader Hussein keeps attacking other Muslim countries, or why the US continues to support so many Muslim countries. Strange.
And what, exactly, does that have to do with whether or not Hussein is a good Muslim, or a good leader, or a peaceful man, or a threat to us all? Oh yeah, nothing.
sLaNd, Are you the poster formerly known as boy? If you ask the Kurds, do you think they like Saddam? What about the Shiite Muslims in Southern Iraq that he has tested chemical weapons on? Maybe a select group of Iraqis supports Saddam out of selfishness (soldiers don't suffer the famines of the peasantry) or fear (if he doesn't like what you say, you are likely to end up dead). I say take out Saddam and all who support him. US puppet government in Iraq = cheap oil for me and a reduced depenance on Saudi Arabia.
They haven't invaded any neighbors in the last 50 years. The regime will inevitably collapse on its own since they have no source of revenue comparable to Hussein's petro business. They are not threatening the world's access to petroleum. We have 40,000 troops on their border. And they are on the list. Just not that high up.
Hayes, i have a question for you... Is the REAL reason you'd prefer to get rid of Huessein b/c you want protection for these other Muslim countries he's "invaded" OR is it because you want his oil??...i really want to know what you think, so don't get all pissed at me...
this is EXACTLY the reason i think most americans want sadaam out... ...the majority of us could care less about him "harming" muslims, which IMO is pretty stupid...
That is a legitimate question. I want to get rid of Hussein because I believe he is a permanent threat to both world peace and the world economy. World Peace He has a long history of both internal (inside Iraq) and external aggression (Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, SCUDs at Israel). He is supporting terrorism in Israel without a doubt, and possibly has links to others (although I will admit I have not seen conclusive proof of involvement with Al Queda). He continues to pursue nuclear weapons which would multiply his threat exponentially. He is no friend to ANY of his neighbors, nor to Europe, nor to the US. World Economy The Iraqi oil in particular is of no consequence to me. I'd prefer we never take a single drop as long as he's in power. It would not significantly affect the US to get his million barrels a day or whatever from Russia or somewhere else. The oil supply from Saudi, Kuwait et al is of concern to me both as it affects our allies (Europe, Japan) and our own economy. Iraq maintains the conventional capability to cause an oil disruption and certainly has empirically proven himself willing and able to gamble for power. General Suckiness Hussein commits genocide within his own country. He is a despot who rules absolutely and kills any opposition. He has somehow convinced Arabs that he is the good Muslim fighting the evil Western powers. Not sure how since I've pointed out he attacks more Muslim countries than anyone else, but there you have it. Finally, he reportedly has bad breath and I hate his mustache.
Oil may or may not be the reason why some Americans want to invade Iraq. I think anyone who is in favor of the invasion for that reason should be ashamed. Possibly thousands of human lives aren't worth me getting cheap oil, and I don't think many people would want that. But if there wasn't an oil connection there would be other reasons for wanting to invade Iraq. Their is the fact that he broke the agreement he signed after the Persion Gulf war allowing weapons inspectors in to investigate. He mistreats his people, seems to be bent on developing bio-chemical weapons, and any weapons of mass distruction he can. Whether or not he has those and if he does have them, whether they are a threat to the U.S. is up for debate. Apparently Hydra is the only poster on this board who puts cheap oil ahead of human lives, but Hydra does at least mention these other reasons too. I'm not in favor of invading Iraq, but I'm not so cynnical as to think most Americans just want cheap oil, and are willing to send their sons and daughters in the military to die for that cheap oil.
I think someone is oversimplifying my position a little bit. First, I attempted to show the reasons that everyone should want Saddam out, not including Saddam. Second, I don't value cheap oil over human lives, but it is a nice side effect. Third, I happen to believe that in the long run, invading Iraq will save lives, among the Iraqis certainly, as our embargo could end and we could get food and medicine to the people that need it. Also among the American people, who I value more than other people , as we could leave Saudi Arabi and maybe get some terrorist off of our back since we are not in the holy land. Iraq would probably be happy to have us in the wake of Saddam's regime, much as Kuwait was happy to have us when Saddam was over there kicking their asses. If all that happens and I get to spend less than a buck a gallon at the pump too, you bet I am a happy guy. I'm sorry that people are going to die in the process, but war is hell, and anything really worth having is worth fighting for. Oh yeah, and I would be much more worried for the Iraqi soldiers than the Americans. As for Europe, they can keep stay the f*** out and keep spending 5 pounds a litre when we are done winning the war ourselves. One advantage of being the lone superpower is the ability to act unilaterally when you feel the cause is good and your p***y allies don't want to support you.
