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Do you remember how crappy everyone felt after the Rockets loss to the 76ers?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jsmee2000, Jan 17, 2009.

  1. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Member

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    Yea, I saw that. Can you see me IMing you on the right side of the worksheet?
     
  2. flamingdts

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    Back to Back kills you whether you're injured or not. I wouldn't be surprised if we lost some of these games even if we're fully healthy. 30 minutes of jumping, shoving, bashing, running really breaks down your system. Not to mention, you play at night, sometimes late at night. That really kills your concentration in the game.
     
  3. bronxfan

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    i agree... nice thread
     
  4. jsmee2000

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    The spreadsheet has been updated to reflect all NBA teams. The proof is there...the Rockets indeed have had one of the most brutal schedules in the NBA along with the Milwaukee Bucks.
     
  5. DudeWah

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    Yup, awesome thread!
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    Probably has something to do with the fact that it took place in the early hours of Saturday morning before most people with backless arguments wake up... :p
     
  6. Tfor3

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    which was the game that people declared tmac as having given up on the rox? was it this game?
     
  7. BrooksBall

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    jsmee2000 and I further updated his spreadsheet to get more accurate SOS rankings. Check the 2nd and 3rd tabs at the bottom of the page:

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pO4gPI-zQvWKP2lShaQwRRA

    The jsmee2000 SOS rankings on the 3rd sheet are based on Adjusted Hollinger SOS ratings which are determined by adding standard Hollinger SOS ratings to weighted values for the number of back-to-backs compared to league average and the number of "4 games in 5 nights" compared to league average. I assume he would have factored in road games as well but he had other stuff to do.

    The Brooksball SOS rankings on the 2nd sheet factor in a team's number of back-to-backs, number of "4 games in 5 nights" and number of road games along with modified values for both Hollinger and Sagarin SOS rankings (if a team is ranked 1-5 they get a value of 1, ranked 6-10 they get a value of 2, etc...).

    I think jsmee's formula is better but in both cases, the Rockets' SOS ranked much higher after adjusting for these additional factors.
     
  8. Shroopy2

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    Nice that a couple of dudes with common sense, a little time and a spreadsheet can shake up the Holy Hollinger metrics

    Thanks, guys
     
  9. BrooksBall

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    It was mostly jsmee... I just worked off of what he put together. His math skills are far better than mine.
     
  10. snappyd

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    Top work guys!

    If I payed more attention (and actually enjoyed) statistics in uni, I'd probably have fun working out what you did there.

    Hopefully with more constantly improving team cohesion, and a better spread of games over the end of the season, this team is going to finish the season very well.
     
  11. thelasik

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    He had to pwn you multiple times before you got on board with what he was saying. At least in the end you agree with him.
     
  12. BrooksBall

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    If that makes you feel better.

    The fact remains that the Rockets have had the 9th easiest schedule according to Hollinger, which was my original point.

    What I learned from jsmee's efforts is that scheduling played a much bigger factor than I thought without checking the data.

    All said and done, we've had a few more b2bs and road games than league average while we've played relatively easier opponents.

    So yea, I was partially pwned as you put it. But remember, the formulas jsmee and I used in his spreadsheet are nothing more than the work of two CFs. They aren't the final word. We were also able to discuss this topic and work together for a few hours online without using childish words like "pwn".
     
  13. Classic

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    Pretty nice spreadsheet. It comfirms what should be common knowledge to the fans here: We've had a tough schedule. What's funny is that this team is poised for a second half surge and the talking heads have already cast this team aside. I'm still confident this team will get a top 3 (probably 2) finish in the conference. Other teams have a lot more back to backs and road games to finish their season with than the Rockets. I think JVG said in a recent interview "that if anything, you could say this team has over achieved." I agree with that 100%.

    I'm hoping for Dallas in the first round for a little payback...
     
  14. BrooksBall

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    Just to be precise, we can expect less B2Bs and road games in the 2nd half of the season but also tougher opponents (according to Hollinger's SOS formula which does cause ratings to fluctuate after each set of games).

    If we can get everybody back healthy on top of the fewer B2Bs and road games, we should improve in the standings despite playing against better quality teams (again, according to Hollinger's current SOS ratings).
     
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    What's funny is how any team we play goes onto a streak after we lose or beat them.
     
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    Well, I guess Milwaukee, Charlotte, Atlanta, the Blazers and the Spurs had their own version of the Philadephia game.
     
  17. Shroopy2

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    Also to remember, Philadelphia even last year ended up making the playoffs. They were bad the time Rockets played them. Not speaking up for Philly, but this year they were considered UNDERperformers enough to fire their coach last month.

    Rockets still need to find a way to beat the teams they're favored against regardless if its on the road or back2back. If Rockets lose to OKC on the road 2nd night of a B2B, NO one's gonna care for their excuse
     
  18. kkkpopov

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    in plain terms,fans have the right to feel unhappy when they feel unhappy
     
  19. jsmee2000

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    Sorry, I don't think Dallas will be making the playoffs this year.

    Thanks! By talking heads, do you mean people in the BBS or do you mean the bball pundits. Hollinger has us at 49 games in his playoffs odds page.

    Using the theory that any team can beat any team in the NBA along with season rest days performance stats I can estimate that the Rockets on average will win 52 games this season (assuming the same team dance continues - if you know what I mean).

    Sure our schedule gets easier, we only have seven back-to-back and one 4-in-5 games sequences remaining. However, take a look at our schedule from Feb 28th through March 14th...we play 10 games in 15 nights. No matter who the Rockets are playing that is a tough stretch and prone to have losses to bad teams. Who do we play in that stretch (R-Rest): @Chi, @MIN, R, TOR, @UTA, R, PHO, R, MEM, @DEN, R, LAL, R, @CHA, SAS.
    This stretch will define and shape how the Rockets will be seeded in the playoffs.

    Anyhow, considering only the teams in the western conference playoff hunt, the remaining back-to-back games per team are as follows (not including last night which might reduce a teams b2b remaining games):

    Rockets - 7
    Portland - 7
    LA Lakers - 9
    Dallas - 9
    New Orleans - 10
    San Antonio - 10
    Denver - 11
    Phoenix - 11
    Utah - 13

    The number of b2bs that Denver has looks promising but they have had a tough schedule so far so I don't expect them to drop much. LA has a five game lead as of today and that may be hard to beat as they have an average schedule. So our only hope will be to overtake San Antonio or New Orleans but we already know that being on top of them is an easy way of defining success as it will guarantee a top four seed. Unless we mount a winning streak like last year our ceiling is probably at a seed of three.

    This is true but partially because the Rockets so far (including last night's game against the Heat) have played 21 games against teams with a record of 0.500 or more (taken from this morning's rankings). Moreover, the Rockets have 22 games remaining with such teams. Therefore, the opponents are not necessarily tougher but the schedule will soften some. The question is...will this benefit the team given their performance this seasons?

    Interestingly, the Rockets did not perform well when they had only one day of rest as their winning percentage was 0.533 nor when they had a two day rest as their winning percentage was 0.545. When playing on the second game of a back-to-back, the Rockets had an outstanding winning percentage of 0.692.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    I made this last year after another poster said the Philly game was the turning point of the season. I didn't think I would use it again.

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