exactly. I'm just a hater because I'm being objective. But you are right, from a tangible and measurable perspective...VY has sucked really. I will give him credit for his "it" but to say that "he is still leading them to wins" is just way over the top and flat out unfair to the rest of the guys actually playing well (i.e. their defense, coach, etc).
lol. Actually, I started this because I was legitimately curious as to what the stats on ClutchFans were. I'm kind of surprised at how many VY FIRST people are out there. That said, I'll agree that what VY has best is his attitude. Players on Tennesuck have mentioned that he keeps them going; he doesn't let players give up. And he's in his Sophomore Slump! If he sucks it up next year, maybe THEN we can say VY has screwed things up.
I prefer the Texans to VY, but like both. In general, I prefer VY fans to Texan fans, though, since a lot of Texan fans are very George W. Bush-like in their tolerance to people that aren't 100% with them.
Just as in the political spectrum, that type crowing exists on both sides of the fence, and each party accuses the other of it while ignoring their own misplays. The VY/anti-VYOF thing has gotten as disgusting as modern politics. I hate Dems and Reps both.
While I agree that the mud slinging has gone on both sides, but I have never felt insulted by a VY fan for also being a Texans fan. I have felt insulted by Texan fans for also being a VY fan. I don't care about the "VY sucks" or "texans suck" comments as they are opinions which the stats for both haven't been too kind. It is the personal attacks and ridicule directed towards the fans of the other side that I don't like since I am both. Maybe, I don't read the board enough or the VY fans that sling mud at Texan fans are on my ignore list. I am a solid anti-antiVYOF.
thats sooo something a stupid VYOF would say Give texans fans a break, they are a bit defensive and do have a lot of anger built up after years of misery. Especially when UT guys continually rub passing VY in their faces by giving him undue credit because of the titans success...even though he's actually played mediocre thus far
Don't forget CUTTING. Adelman has brought cutting to the Rockets and look how much better they are! JVG never used cutting, and that's why he was a failure. The same applies to the NFL, as VY shows. Here are my ingredients to make a Champion: 1. Leadership 2. Heart 3. Fireiness 4. Ability to cut Steve Franics has heart, but Luther Head beat him out because he can CUT. Which one of those is VY missing? None!
The results for this poll are a little troubling. However, I'm not surprised. the Texans have yet to win over those "casual" fans. The casual fans represent the people who only cheer when things are going well. The Houston Rockets are perfect examples. There were MANY people in Houston who did not give the Rockets the time of day...but when they got on a roll, clutch city fever spread like the common cold. The Texans have done NOTHING to win the casual fan over. So a good chunk of their potential fan base has not even been exposed. Next, the Texans had a chance to win over MANY fans WITHOUT having to win. All they had to do was draft Vince Young. Casual fans would have cheered for the feel good story of a hometown boy, and UT fans would have cheered the Texans on. The moral of the story: this franchise has been ridiculed with bad decisions from up top year after year. True Texan fans are always there. But they are growing tired of having to wait one whole year to see if their beloved team will finally make good decisions.
Come on... You are telling me that if Reggie Bush or VY was in Houston, the Texans would be worse? The Texans have finished in last place of their division for the past 3 years (counting this year ) I'm not saying VY is a god or he is the best qb ever, etc. But, he definitely brings a different element to the game. Defenses have to put a spy on him which opens up all kinds of things for the running and passing game. And all of the leadership already posted.
The love affair would have lasted one season. Winning fans over long-term is about winning. If you believe the Texans would have finished 9-7 or 10-6 with VY last year, then they could have kept whatever momentum one draft pick may have gotten them. But if you honestly believe they would have won that many games with all the other holes in that porous roster, I have a real estate contract for concerning a certain piece of oceanfront property in Arizona. From the front porch you can see the sea...
Vince Young is great at cutting, watch him break out of the pocket and cut left or right to avoid the defense, get a first down and extend the drive. But....PSSST....don't mention that to the rabble that only look at passing stats when talking about a QB. Never mind that Vince has the worst receiving corp in the entire league, and that just last week he had THREE TD passes dropped.... That is just picking nits..right? DD
give him those 3 tds passes dropped...he's thrown 3 or 4 ints in the endzone as well. BUt you are right about one thing DD. He does tend to extend drives with his playmaking ability. no doubt. He also kills them by poorly thrown balls, misreads, or ints. Bottom line, he is a bad qb so far this season. Mcnair was crappy too, its ok admit it. But like mcnair, VY will become great in time. IN the meantime, no need to ignore a top defense in the league and a kicker thats bailed them out of a few games already this year...not to mention kerry collins.
I am not going to say he is a great or polished NFL QB right now, because you are correct he makes a lot of mistakes, but what Vince does do....is win. Just this week he dropped back to pass on the 5 yard line, no one was open so he ran it in himself. And that is far more important than any stat line will show. How is the time of possession for the Titans this year? Because if they are still up there among the league leaders that has a lot to do with Vince extending the drives moreso than killing them. 4th in the league currently DD
Vince has rushed 47 times for 165 yards. That's 3.5 yards per carry, about half of what he did last season and significantly below the average for an NFL quarterback. The Titans are dominating time of possession because of their running backs and strong defense, not because of Vince's rushing.
Cat convinced me that clutchiness doesn't exist! Over a large sample size players will revert to their career averages. Also, I almost removed Leadershipiness from the list after reading Ric's posts, but since he was so pro-David Carr I don't really trust him!
THROWING MECHANICS. How important is it? How much does it contribute to Carr's and Young's struggles in throwing the deep ball? We know neither has very good mechanics. Schaub has pretty average arm strength, but he has a classic throwing style and gets the ball downfield all the time.
