Everyone keeps saying DMor back got worse... His back hasn't changed. There is no one that can say confidently if he will come back and play at 100% not. Detroit just decided that they didn't want to risk it. I personally voted I liked the trade, and that I really don't like that it's been resended. All that aside, I'm rooting for dmo to come back strong and prove all the doubters wrong. We have to hope that dmo is our future pf and because of this we get him at a discount. David
There's no realistic playoff run coming. That's why we were looking to deal him and Dwight and really anyone on the roster except Harden.
I agree I don't see a real playoff run happening, but I do think the organization wants to at least make the playoffs. I'm sure we could have gotten a 1st out of Howard but FO probably deemed making the playoffs more important. Making the playoffs is important for the organization. Missing the playoffs could possibly hinder our free agency plans as well, free agents might thin twice if the Rockets can at least make the playoffs.
Yes. Sometimes the best move made is no move at all. Dwight, Thornton and hopefully Dmo will all be pivotal in our playoff run. We're gonna make the playoffs. There's no question about that. Once we're in anything can happen. If we can gel and get hot to close out the season I'm confident we can make a series whether it be GSW, Spurs or OKC. One things for sure... The series odds are going to be hard not to place a bet. Assuming the playoffs started tomorrow I'd guess the Rockets would be right around +2000 vs Warriors. A long shot perhaps but I'd totally bet a 100 bucks and not feel bad about losing it.
Agreed with this also. I voted no mainly due to awkwardness. Our chemistry has been shaky, as is, let alone having to welcome back two rotation players we tried to get rid of. Plus, overall, it's very embarrassing that the FO's only trade deadline deal went up in smoke. The entire situation is a net negative. That said, I suppose the silver lining in all of this is D-Mo's stock is probably on the decline. At his best, we all know what he can do. One of the more underrated big men in the league when healthy. Provided his back really isn't as bad some suspect (Detroit's motivating factor was buyer's remorse, IMO), this might give us the inside track to securing him to a reasonable long-term deal.
Yup, 100%! Seriously best news of this whole season. Thornton was contributing and D-Mo could maybe add something. At least with these 2 you have a possible good bench. Without it, thin, no scoring and no possible stretch 4. Leslie is cheap and giving up MT along with D-Mo didn't make any sense to me.
TIL that people prefer the 2-3 months Thornton will give Houston in a chance to hopefully win one playoff series, and then bouncing in free agency vs the prospect of a possible lottery pick or at worst 20th pick in the draft. TIL that people prefer to risk the prospect of a possible lottery pick vs a player who has an alarming back injury and may not even return next season as a Houston Rocket.
Worst case scenerio: DMo's back is a real problem, and Detroit wants nothing to do with him. Rockets ride out this year with DMo and then part ways. Best case scenerio: Detroit took this opportunity to take a good medical look at DMO, but said why give up a first round pick when they can sign him in the offseason? Given that the Rockets tried to trade him away, it's unlikely they get in a bidding war, so they part ways. Neither works out well for the Rockets. But of course there's one more (unlikely) dream scenerio: DMo comes back strong for the remaining season, Houston goes far in the playoffs, Morey realizes his mistake and DMo becomes a cornerstone player for the Rockets for years to come.
First, I want to say that I don't think anyone was saying that Houston would draft the next Kawhi with that mid-first rounder pick. Kawhi is a Finals MVP. There's only been like 30 FMVPs in league history, so don't go pulling a "were not getting a Finals MVP with that pick therefore it really isn't that good of a pick" crap. People liked the idea of the pick because it was a chance of finding a good roration player. We weren't asking for a sure fire all star player with the pick. Not a for sure chance, but a decent chance. Second, I define mid first round as the 11th pick to 20th pick. I will start from 2005. Spoiler 2005- 17- Danny Granger 18- Gerald Green (21-30 had 5 players who went on to have successful NBA careers) 2006- 11- JJ Redick 13- Thabo Sefolosha (21-30 had 2 NBA players who went on to have successful nba careers) 2007- 12- Thaddeus Young 15- Rodney Stuckey 16- Nick Young 18- Marco Belinelli (21-30 had 6 players to have successful basketball careers) 2008- 15- Robin Lopez 16- Marreese Speights 17- Roy Hibbert 19- JJ Hickson (21-30 had 6) 2009- 12- Gerald Henderson 17- Jrue Holiday 18- Ty Lawson 19- Jeff Teague (21-30 had 4) 2010- 13- Ed Davis 14- Patrick Patterson 15- Larry Sanders had he not retired 18- Eric Bledsoe 19- Avery Bradley (21-30 had 2) 2011- 11- Klay Thompson 13- Markieff Morris 14- Marcus Morris 15- Kawhi Leonard 16- Nikola Vucevic 17- Iman Shubert 19- Tobias Harris 20- Donatas Motiejunas (21-30 had 6) 2012- 11- Meyers Leonard 12- Jeremy Lamb 14- John Henson 17- Tyler Zeller 20- Evan Fournier (21-30 had 3) 2013- 12- Steven Adams 13- Kelly Olynyk 15- Giannis Antetokounmpo 17- Dennis Schröder (21-30 had 4) 2014 13- Zach Lavine 14- Tj Warren 16- Jusuf Nurkic 19- Gary Harris (21-30 has at least 2) 2015 11- Myles Turner 13- Devin Booker So that's 44 players in the 11 to 20 range who ended up decent. All nba players? Don't think so. All stars? Very few. But a lot of them ended up being very solid role players, and sure some took time to develop but I don't think that's a huge problem. So 44 percent of the players taken in the last 10 years between 11 and 20 have been pretty alright. Oh, and 40 have ended up being pretty good too if they were taken between 21-30. So 40 percent chance a pick between those numbers end up being good. What's the estimate that Dmo's back ends up being just fine and he returns just as good if not better? I do want to know because maybe it's better if we use the same logic on him that I used on the draft pick. How many players that had Dmo's type of injury ended up coming back just fine? Percentage wise. I don't know. Personally, I'd bet on the known rather than the he unknown. 44 percent isnt the that great, but at least I know that it's almost 50-50 where I hit. With Donuts I don't know. A lot of people are saying it's 50 50 because there's only two outcomes in his situation; he heals or he doesnt, but I think that's a bad way to look at it. There are so many outcomes with Dmo and his back. It heals, but it's not the same. It heals, and plays great. It heals, and he plays decently. It doesn't heal in time before his contract is up, but goes on to play great later. It doesn't heal in time before his contract is up, and never recovers. It doesn't heal in time before his contract is up but he goes on to play decently. Who knows what happens? It's pretty much unknown and not so simple like people want you to believe. Of course there a lot of risk takers on this earth and this forum, so I respect that. I want Dmo to recover and have a fruitful career. Hopefully with us.
Didn't like the trade after we gave up the 2nd, but now it looks different. D-Mo's back is apparently beyond what NBA teams are willing to deal with, so much that Houston traded him for peanuts and Detroit voided the trade after the physicals. So the trade would've been useless player (D-Mo because of injury and us probably not extending), Thornton (good bench scorer, but streaky and not too much value) plus a 2nd rounder for a good 1st round pick. That's good value and with the right pick or trade package it could've amounted to something good in the summer. Unless there's a miracle and D-Mo gets healthy long-term, we lost this with the trade being voided.
Hate the trade and the void. That should be a poll option. The voided trade is a double F up on our part, it's not simply a reversal.
I am big DMo fan. He was my favorite player on the rockets. But I am not happy the trade is voided. Because this means the following: 1: DMo's injury is more serieus than we thought (Detroit really wanted him, but now they have seen his injury they backed out) 2: DMo might not play that much this year. 3: We apperantly did not expect to keep him this summer 4: DMo knows he was traded so he will feel no loyalty whatsoever to us this summmer. 5: Detroit's pick was starting to look good. So overall just a bad situation. However I do find it funny that Les really wanted to get under the luxery taks, and no he is not
I posted this in the other thread, but I am glad the trade was voided. 1. If DMo's back is truly career threatening, then I wouldn't have wanted the Rockets to look like they were trying to job another team. We already have a bad enough reputation around the league as is. Better to do fair deals like San Antonio and Golden State do, where both teams get something incrementally and over the long run we win out more because of the fit of players we got in return than some other team just completely looking embarrassed after dealing with us. 2. If DMo's back is okay, and Detroit just got cold feet on losing the first rounder after losing two games after the all-star break, then that means we might still have a piece that could help us maximize our performance this year. I think people forget, but after acquiring Lawson in the offseason we were going all-in on this year no matter what. This is a win-now team. We're not mortgaging the future in terms of losing multiple first round picks later on; but we sure as hell can't reneg on that commitment to winning now, and this roster still deserves to be completely intact compared to its starting season form. These players will get a shot in the playoffs, and whatever they do they will have made their own bed to get there. I'm not in favor of calling it a lost season until we are physically eliminated.
