Do you like the potential trade of Courtney Lee for Omer Asik?

So what they are saying is overload on centers since they are wayyy out of their minds in value these days? Asik is not that special.

 

I think you should add more than Asik if your gonna trade Lee

 

In fact Asek is barely the level of Jordan Hill but a little taller.

 

I find it hillarious for posters to think the bulls will give up asik for lee. Asik and his defensive impact is far greater than what Lee can bring. Just the conversation brings me back to morey and the wheeling and dealings. Just like Deandre Jordan, morey passed on a young ,raw 7ft project for another undersizaed,old pf. Anyone remember Ray Lewis with a basketball?Lmao! The rox couldve had their choice of the two,yet they took a 6'6,25 yrd old center. Now, they're in the market for a center? Ok,lol.

 

It is pretty sad that Jordan and Asik were drafted right after Dorsey.

 

Asik is getting 10 minutes a game even with Noah injured. He'll probably be used less when Noah comes back. Do you really think that makes more of an impact than filling a starting position void?

Morey knows what position the Bulls are in. They'd like to upgrade that shooting guard spot before the playoffs and their options are slim. I'm sure they'd love Mayo, but Memphis has stated that they only want players that offer them immediate help, not projects or picks. Nothing on the Bulls' bench is equal to Mayo’s talent, therefore they're not getting him.

Morey will either make the Bulls overpay to get C. Lee, or they won't get C. Lee. Their first rounder (a.k.a. about 25th pick in a weak draft) ain't gonna cut it. Asik and the Bobcats pick are the only things worth a damn to the Rockets, so if either are too much for them, so be it.

 

to the poster above, Asik and his defensive skillset would impact the rockets far greater than what courtney is bringing right now.

Think of it this way, Gortat has been way more effective than every rocket big aside from maybe scola and he was riding the bench in orlando.Why? A defensive 7 ft er even off the bench will impact the game more than courtney. Courtney is a good player, solid to be exact, but because he's playing limited minutes and his skillset, he's not that impactful. He's like Affalo in denver.Solid player, 4th or 5th option as a starter or off the bench. Nothing special and thats not saying Asik is special,but if Asik turns out to be Gortat and Lee like affalo, which will have the bigger impact on the rockets? I would say Asik.

 

Ok, so Asik coming off the bench is more valuable for us than Lee coming off the bench. Fair enough.

But have you considered that Lee starting for them might be more valuable for Chicago than their third string center? You mention Arron Afflalo, and I think that’s a great comparison, actually. Afflalo in Detroit had even milder numbers than what Lee’s putting up. Now in Denver--because of the players he’s around--he’s putting up 13 ppg with the best true shooting percentage of all 2 guards in the league (51.1 FG%, 44.7 3 pt%, 85.3 FT%). That’s exactly what you need from a 4th or 5th option shooting guard. Don’t you think Lee might be able to put up similar production as Chicago’s 5th option, playing next to one of the best point guards in the league? I do.

At a cheap rookie contract till the end of next season, Lee is exactly what Chicago wants and needs, therefore he is very valuable to them. Not sure why you think the trade would be hilarious on Chicago’s behalf.

 

Brad Miller
David Andersen
Joey Dorsey

Daryl fail...


I'm not sure where we are going to get a center, but does it even matter If we get one this year? I hope we don't give up anything significant for a bandaid player on a team destined to miss the playoffs.

 

I haven't read the replies in this thread so far so i don't know what the general consensus is.

Wasn't Courtney Lee starting for the Orlando Magic when they made it to the Finals though?

I like him a lot.

I also love Kevin Martin.
But i'd prefer having an offense orientated SF starting with Lee at the SG (with Martin being traded for said SF) and Lee starting and getting heavy minutes at the 2.

He is a two-way player.
I feel the Rockets aren't utilising him correctly.
And would be a better team for it if he was logging consistent, starter type minutes.

 

The funny part is they kept the even shorter 6'4" center as a starter over the 6'6" center.

 

lmao @ people acting liek shawn bradley was a good player when he played.

 

Yeah, 3.5 blocks a game isn't good at all...

12 points, 10 rebounds and 4 blocks for his career per 36, also sucks balls.

I also hate 7-6 guys, they are not useful in the slightest...

 

It's a fair trade for both teams. I imagine Morey is holding out in case he swings a bigger deal involving Martin which would necessitate keeping Lee, but otherwise, this is a move I would make.

 

Look Asik may in fact be valuable in size. If we are talking value? Courtney Lee has been and could the Bulls starting SG. To them he has enormous value and more value in this league than Asik. Stop losing your minds and overvaluing other teams players over ours alll the time. THIS OMER FREAK ASIK! Not Shaq ONEAL!

 

CHI: We like Lee. You like 7footers. How abouts you give us Lee for our 7 footer Asik and we call it a day?

Morey: Hm. We really like Lee too. He is our best two way player and is a great role player type to fill out the starting 5. He can defend 1s and 2s as well as any in the league, shoots at a decent clip, and is crazy athletic. He is also fairly young and not injury prone. Plus he is on a cheap contract. Did I mention he is a good character guy too? By the way, who is Asik?

CHI: Asik is our European 7footer who is young and athletic. Lots and lots of upside.

Morey: Asik... OH! You're talking about the guy who plays 11 min/game as Kurt Thomas' backup while Noah is recovering Asik?

CHI: Uh, yes. We will be willing to part with him for Lee. Great bargain for you.

Morey: Well, he would likely be a backup to our 6'5" center. I'll tell you what. I feel very charitable today so how about you give us the Cha pick and we'll take Asik off your hands for you. Did I mention Lee will be a perfect fit next to roses and Den in your starting lineup? Did I mention Thibs loves players who can defend?

CHI: um, i'll get back to you (leaks info that CHI declined trade of Lee for Asik, conveniently leaving out the pick).

 

We have a winner...

 

Had the rockets started developing a young 7 ft er say at the end of 07 when Yao had a season ending injury, maybe that backup would be good enough to start and play now. Even now posters are saying the rockets need immediate help now vs a longer term player. Even if they just wanted more imediate help, the guy still should have something in his tank.As soon as Yao limped off the court in La they should have been trying to find a center.

Davis Andersen? Anyone and everyone knew he was more soft pf than center. Not only that, he was 30 yrs old.

Brad Miller? Yep, 34 yr old,injury prone system guy for almost 5m per. Those will argue he was signed to backup Yao. I will argue and did that they shouldve been looking for Yao's replacement because history had shown he was going to go down again.

While Houston was playing around and waiting for Yao,signing andersen and miller, 2 teams in our division added quality bigs like Okefor,Chandler,and even Haywood. Sure they all cost 10m plus and in haywoods case, he was part of a package deal. My thing is, how would the dynamic of this team be different with either of those guys? How much is it worth to be a 5th or 6th seed right now?

In the nba, you have to be really,really lucky to get a quality big for under 10m a season if he's not on a rookie contract. Asik will be one of those 5-6m type of big guys really soon with playing time. He's going to be a jeff foster/joel pryzbilla type of big guy. He's alot better defensively than most on this board are giving him because most dont watch the guy. For a young guy, he makes the right rotations on defense,changes shots,pretty athletic,and decisive with his offensive moves.The bulls know this, morey probably know this also. He had the right mind when he went after gortat, problem is orlando kept their leverage by matching and morey tried to lowball him anyway.I'm all for bargains and the more the better, but at some point,you have to pay for quality vs quantity.

Lee is a solid player, but this is also the same Lee who didnt play well in NJ when given more responsibility. Lee on the rockets make 0 sense especially with martin playing well offensively. His value is solid starter or bench player which is cool, but his inconsistent play and minutes really hurts his value to this team.The bulls are doing fine without Lee right now but lee will help them. He's not a over the top type player because he's not dynamic enough

 

The weakness in moneyball is it's failure to account for injuries. No matter how productive a C like Yao is in advanced moneyball statistics, he fails at the simplest stat, games played. That's why Morey didn't go after a C.