I don't believe anyone should be named Michael-Carter. It should be either Michael or Carter. I hate his name. Do they call him MC? I'm not saying that name. Screw that. I'll call him Micter, though. Of course, his name is actually Michael Carter-Williams.
That’s debatable. Lowry was holding out or playing games with management because he wanted to be sole PG with no Dragic. Dragic wanted to be sole PG with no Lowry fighting for the position. In the end Morey ended up with neither as it took to long to sort out.....and then Morey wanted them both back. Yes, Jeremy Lamb was bad....but Stephen Adams has turned out ok. Better numbers if allowed to get his numbers without Westbrook. I like Kevin Martin as well. Unless you win the finals......WCF is just the latest loser.-Ricky Bobby Who is to say we wouldn’t have won it all with Adams and Kevin Martin and no Harden? We (Rockets) haven’t won it all with Harden ......yet.
Anybody you ask that question. Anybody. Just ask anybody alive if the Rockets would have won it all with Kevin Martin and Steven Adams but no Harden and they'll tell you "Absolutely not but will you share your bath salts with me?"
Harden would have stayed hidden under the shadows of Westbrook or moved on to an organization that may not have turned him loose like Houston did. In other words, not being the player he is today. You do want to acknowledge that Morey pushing for re-signing Dragic over Lowry upset Lowry to the point he demanded a trade. Therefore losing both! Stay blind
Kevin Martin scored 17 pts a game prior to being traded to the Thunder.....where he scored 14 pts a game on 43% from 3-pt distance. Rockets needed a point guard because of the “mistake of letting Dragic/Lowry go!” Turned to Beverley for 41 games. The trio of Westbrook/Durant/Kevin Martin we’re going all the way until Beverley and Westbrook bumped knees. Westbrook was then removed from the playoffs and the Thunder got eliminated. Show Kevin Martin some respect. You will have to show me the notes of Morey when he jotted down: 1) play hard ball against Dragic in negotiations 2) piss off Lowry 3) trade Lowry 4) get Harden 5) win-win-win baby. Just because the final results turned out well......doesn’t mean that a mistake wasn’t made. Dwight Howard/Lin/Asik were intended......and didn’t work out. Not everything intended works.... and not every mistake fails completely.
I mean thats what good GMs, do all these trades are chaotic but Morey can still get results even when he makes mistakes. And cmon man, there is no way in hell you are winning a championship with Kevin Martin and Steven Adams, its just no true.
You are joining the conversation in midstream. I said Morey is the best GM, but is not perfect. I said he has made some errors too. Lowry became an all-star Dragic became an all star as well. Morey wanted both back.......indicates mistake. Kevin Martin thrived in the Adelman system (point guard eccentric) and in a D’Antoni system. Nobody knew Harden would be this good. Last year with Thunder Harden averaged 16.8 points off the bench. Kevin Nartin averaged 17 points per game. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I also mentioned Royce White. Some just want to say Morey knew Harden would be great...want to overlook Dragic and or Lowry are too good to let go........they are lame-os now, uhhh
Oh my bad, I'll just contend the point that Kenyon Martin and Steven Adams would in no way win us a championship that is all. In relation to their point scored, I believe Harden was alot more efficient, and had better advanced stats than Kevin Martin as well so maybe that was a factor, either I have nothing else to add cause you are right I did come in mid stream haha.
No harm. Kevin Martin is an accessory piece to help win a championship. A hired gun dead-eye shooter. Lowry was the player paired with Kevin Martin. Lowry was hurt his final year with Houston. This is why Morey was going hard for Dragic to re-sign. Since then Lowry is a 4-time all star. I would say: Harden doesn’t play defense well.......Kevin Martin didn’t play defense well. Harden is crafty at driving and getting fouled......Kevin Martin is crafty and drew fouls (Harden better). Harden is a good outside shooter......Kevin Martin was a good outside shooter (I would say better than Harden).... Kevin Martin the better spot shooter, off screens, off hand-offs......Harden better step-back and after body contact. Thunder with Harden (scoring 16.8 points/game) were a 59 win season and went to the finals. Next season with no Harden and with Kevin Martin went 60-22 and still the first seed in the West. Martin contributed. Lowry, since leaving the Rockets is a four time all star. It’s not about who is the best player.....it’s who is around them? LeBron is supposedly the best player; didn’t win it all last year. If the Raptors (with Lowry) win it all this year........was it a mistake to let Lowry leave the Rockets? People will say it was Kawhi’s doing......but more than likely Lowry will be a major contributor. Harden as good as he is, hasn’t won it all by himself. It’s who else is with him.
Uh cool, true. All that stuff in the first is true. Hmm ok fine, I mean ....but Harden is very clearly the better offensive player(and player overall) and its by large large margin. Kev Mart never was going to be as good as Harden is now. Alright so here is where Ill disagree. Harden the year they made the finals had a higher PER,EFG, TS%, higher FTr, higher rebounding %, higher assist %, higher WS, higher BPM, and a higher VORP. All of Harden's advanced stats at age 21 were better than Martin's at age 28. Harden was undisputedly the better player at this time. Yea, they were the first seed in the west, but tbh they most likely would have gone to the finals had Harden was there instead. Cause as you know RW got injured BUT, if Harden was still there, I still think they reach the finals, cause we know Harden could play point better than him. Ok, so your point is you need more than one amazing player to win yea? I agree. But I dont see how us keeping Lowry instead or not doing the Harden trade gets us in a better position than we all right now....or have been up to this point? Sure, nobody knows for sure what would happen but theres a much more higher chance our franchise would not have had the same success.
I’m not saying I’m correct. It’s up to everyone’s interpretation. I’m saying it’s bogus that Morey planned to go hard for Dragic while planning on trading for Harden using Lowry. I ready that situation, saying to myself, Morey you better give Dragic your best offer and move on. Lowry is not going to take this well. My thinking at the time was, “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.” Meaning Lowry was ours. If you have Clowney and JJ Watt not really jelling.......then you make sure you keep one or the other. You don’t let one get away. Kevin Martin and Lowry layer well together before Lowry got hurt. Morey wanted to move on from Lowry because of being a tad overweight and injuries occurred as a result. Lowry left Houston and trims down his weight to be productive......and lessen the injuries. Thus Morey has wanted him back since. Again, Houston gave the keys to the franchise from the get-go. What if he was traded to the Knicks? Melo not letting Harden spread his wings like Houston did. Melo didn’t let Lin prosper and he was stunting Porzingis growth. I’m saying the Rockets allowed Harden to open up his game. Someone has to prove to me that the final result of the Dragic/Lowry negotiations were intended. I think the Thunder trading of Harden a week before the season was Morey accidentally having a good player falling into his lap. Morey has said he knew Harden was good; but he didn’t think Harden would be this good. Harden has said he knew he was good.....But he didn’t think he could be this good. Most media and executives have said they didn’t know Harden would be this good. Team, players and systems have been the perfect storm for Harden. Someone has to show me Dragic/Lowry drama and obtaining Harden was intended and well planned out.....or more dumb luck accident working our way. I don’t say Lin and Asik poison pill contracts were a mistake. If not for Lin-sanity and tough hustle by Asik.....I don’t know if Harden signs the extension with the Rockets right after being traded to Houston. Now those circumstances were intended. Asik/Lin were used to reel in a big fish. What if Morey signed Dragic.....traded Lowry......Brought in Harden. Rockets would have had Dragic/Lin/Harden/Asik. Morey didn’t want to pay Dragic $12 mil or more, so he went Lin with $8 mil on the average. The mistake was not just paying Dragic $12 mil. Well peace out. I can’t convince most that losing one of Dragic or Lowry was a mistake and others can’t convince me it wasn’t a mistake. To each their own. Take Care.
Wait a minute man. I'm not saying Morey didn't get lucky or have some moves go his away, I'm strictly arguing about the comparison between Harden and Martin. All the other things you are taking about I think you make a lot of sense haha.
I can’t believe we’re actually in the position of giving this scrub rotation minutes he had an open corner three and airballed it so badly last game...my gawd
Well, that’s his game. It was very likely a bad signing even at the minimum. Here were other minimum signings to compare to the Rockets min guys: Ian Clark, Noah Vonleh, Omri Casspi, David Nwaba, Jonas Jerebko, Amir Johnson, Nerlens Noel Some other guys $3M or less: Elrfrid Payton, Dante Cunningham The market wasn’t specifically rich with minimum level players at the Rockets price
I do not mind as end of bench energy player. Not as starter or even part of regular rotation, too offensively limited.
So we hadnt won with Harden yet but we could have won with Adams and Kevin Martin? Technically you are right. I could have also won the lottery if I bought a ticket. You need to know the diff between possibility and probability.
