Do you believe you really know who you are voting for?

I'm quite confident that the Obama voters don't have a clue who they are voting for... his marketing campaign has been exceptionally misleading.

 

With 2 out of 3 voting, a Democrat.

 

You are obviously a Nazi Commie Capitalist!

 

I wouldn't know what to make of your ideology. I would assume you had a desire to understand how and why others thought what they did.

 

Well, you'd be correct, but my point was if you only saw Das Kapital, you might think I'm a Marxist, or if you only saw Mein Kampf you might think I'm a Fascist.

Or, in the case of the original posted article, you find a peice of political propaganda that makes the misleading association for you.

 

this thread is mccarthyism, and I'm not joking, and the fact it was started by the ron paul libertarian enthusiast is along the lines of hypcrisy.

 

Funny thing is the link provided by the original article has an article that finds that John McCain, too, is tainted by one of the same folks who the original nut uses to slander Obama!!

From the original post above: The Brookings Institution is headed by former Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott, a proponent of world government who was recently identified in the book Comrade J as having been a pawn of the Russian intelligence service.

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Who Is Influencing John McCain?

AIM Report | April 3, 2008

Who Is Influencing John McCain?

It’s not the kind of endorsement that a Republican presidential candidate should welcome. But former Clinton State Department official and alleged Russian dupe Strobe Talbott says that Senator John McCain and Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are all “moderate pragmatists” in foreign policy “with the demonstrated ability to reach across party lines.”

This is “good news,” says Talbott, an advocate of world government

http://www.aim.org/aim-report/who-is-influencing-
john-mccain/

Little did poor TJ know that he is slavishly loyal to John McCain, who associates with an alleged Commie dupe who is trying to have world government.

 

I am quite confident that you, poor TJ, don't know that you are a loyal supporter of John McCain who has the open support of an alleged Communist dupe conspiring for world government.

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But former Clinton State Department official and alleged Russian dupe Strobe Talbott says that Senator John McCain and Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are all “moderate pragmatists” in foreign policy “with the demonstrated ability to reach across party lines.”
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/who-is-influencing-
john-mccain/

 

I once met Strobe Talbott.

 

This is the closest I could find so far on the controversy with desperate right wing blogs...


http://thelonggoodbye.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/barack-obama-and-frank-marshall-davis/
Accuracy in Media ( a right-wing front group) has this bombastic article up on Barack Obama, Obama’s Communist Mentor, AIM Column, By Cliff Kincaid, February 18, 2008

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
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It didn’t take much to get on some kind of list in the 1950s. A Google search shows that some variation of this meme - Davis was a supposedly a communist and Obama’s acknowledgment of Davis as an influence of course equals that Obama is a secret commie has been floating around for a while. One of the things that should make people take pause is the newsgroup’s promulgation of an article that describes Davis as a “socialist realist”. The clever addition of three little letters makes all the difference. Davis biographers and historians refer to Davis as a “social realist”. I can find no paper by Davis or any expert on Davis that describes him as a “socialist realist”. Davis was a newspaper writer and editor in addition to being a poet. He certainly had the time and opportunity in a long carreer to spell out his thoughts. As of this writing I can’t find any writings by him that states his allegiance to communism. On the contrary he warned the civil rights movement not to move in that direction. There is also the meme that Davis didn’t join the Communist Party until the fifties and even then he kept it a secret - as of this writing I cannot find any verification of that. Even if true the implication that Obama became a secret communist simply because he knew Davis is absurd guilt by association. From The Voice of the World: The Early Career of Frank Marshall Davis 1931- 1934 by Leonard Ray Teel, Associate Professor, Department of Communication, Georgia State University

The mood of protest in the early 1930s was such that some editors welcomed even the editors of the Communists Party. At the end of 1931, Carl Murphy’s influential Baltimore Afro- American applauded the “Communist program of racial equality” as a hopeful balance to the year’s deplorable events — “fifteen lynchings” and the death sentences given to eight black youths in the Scottsboro, Ala rape trial. The editors welcomed the communists as neo-abolitionists: Reds as courageous as the Minute Mne or the volunteer firemen seem everywhere ready for a demonstration against race prejudice, whether it be at hand or a thousand miles away.

Alliance with the Communist Party, even from a distance, was too radical for some black editors, among them Frank Marshall Davis. While he was as ardent as any editor against injustices — in jobs, housing, education, the laww — Davis warned against reliance upon a non-American system for solving American problems.In 1932, a year after becoming managing editor of the Atlanta World, Davis was invited to a national symposium of prominent black editors, including Murphy of the Afro-American and Robert S. Vann of the Courier. There, he warned aginst reliance on the Communist system to achieve racial justice. To Davis, the black protest movement was not compatible with the communists “crude and noisy militancy.” He saw “no fear of the rainbow brotherhood going red in wholesale numbers — at least not until white America takes long steps in that direction.”

[ ]…Davis articulated the newspaper’s conscience. In four years, he articulated an agenda of “social realism” that included appeals for racial justice in politics and economics, as well as justice before the law. He championed Negro activism, especially to compensate for social ills not remedied by white society. But he warned blacks against accepting the Depression era remedies advertised by communists.

[ ]…His own personal horror had occured in Kansas when he was 5 years old, he once told an interviewer. Some white third-graders who had heard about lynching had practiced on him and nearly hanged him.

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Some other blogs that have posted on this and associated story by Lisa Schiffren writing for the Republican National Review making the utterly irrational argument that since Obama was the product of a mixed African-American-Jewish marriage he must be a communists, Is Barack Obama the Product of a Secret Communist-Jewish Breeding Program?, For Conservatives, “Race-Mixing” Still A Communist Plot, Obammunists, and Wow, are the racists Very Serious, Thoughtful people over at The Corner on a roll today.

Davis certainly showed an incredible entrepreneurial spirit for some one that was supposed to be a communist,

Davis said that he was drawn to life in Hawaii because of the islands’ multiethnic culture. He wrote some poetry in Hawaii and worked on his autobiography beginning in the early 1960s. He penned a column for a Honolulu labor newspaper. But mostly he dropped off the literary radar, starting a paper-supplies company, Oahu Papers, which mysteriously burned to the ground in March of 1951. In 1959 he started another similar firm, the Paradise Paper Company. Several times he was questioned about his leftist affiliations by congressional investigators, but by the late 1950s the anticommunist hysteria had died down.
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I have not ever met Strobe Talbott, so I am more patriotic than you who are obviously slavishly loyal to forces conspiring for world government.

In all seriousness I wonder if the Obama campaign may have to go after McCain in a similar fashion or he may very well lose as the gentlemanly Al Gore and John Kerry did.

 

I don't know to what degree Obama shares his views with Rev. Wright, but if he were to come out 100% for them, then his campaign would be disregarded as "another or a traditional black candidate".

It's very cynical for me to say this, but the American people are very 1st impression centered, and they won't listen to someone who doesn't personally appeal to them or their issues. In 2004, people would rather pay attention to Kerry's supposed Vietnam record than his record in the Senate. They preferred getting out to vote on a gay marriage amendment than a presidential referendum on a costly and bloody war.

This is the primary season, and these two dem candidates absolutely must appeal to their party before appealing to every American voter. They can't discuss their economic plans in detail because a realistic plan will require sacrifices from all constituencies. And in this day an age, a person who is reasonable, respectful, and truthful will be spun on the other side as being heartless to those he left out, or aloof and detached on the concerns of people not of "his own".

It's a long political year. I've more than made up my mind on Obama, but not everything is set in stone. This guilt by association ploy is a tired trick played ad nauseum on a man who has a short national political career yet has served several years in elected office. What can change my mind are detailed stances on his real issues, but I realize that won't come out until he is the undisputed Democratic candidate for the presidency.

 

I think you have to make a distinction between what type of honesty you are talking about. For instance Clinton's lie about the blow job had virtually no effect on his job duties as president of the United States.

Bush lying about "war was his last option" with respect to Iraq when he had decided and nothing would stop him, was about an issue in which the president was about to kill thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and cost the tax payer trillions.

Bush covering up his DWI for instance was not nearly as important of a dishonesty.



Similarly Obama saying he had gone to a meeting or two with socialists and read their literature when he actually gave a speech at one of their events and as a youngster had a friend who may or may not have disclosed he was a communist is if it is being dishonest, rather merely not giving lots of details, not relevant to his job as president.

I'm not sure why this Obama story has triggered all this for you, especially after the Reverend Wright story. Yeah, Obama has been exposed to some liberal ideas. Conservaive ones, too, as he is supposedly surrounded by U of Chicago economist types.

 

Me neither. Stateside, the reds were a good quarter-to-a-half-century ahead of either major party on black civil rights and basic labor laws.