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Do you believe Jeremy and Omer "are going to be here"?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jocar, Jul 23, 2013.

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Behind the scenes....

  1. Asik is still being offered.

    17.1%
  2. Lin is still being offered.

    4.5%
  3. Morey's still making calls and both are actively being shopped.

    49.2%
  4. Morey meant it. Both are officially of the table, and this squad rolls out next season.

    29.2%
  1. Bobbythegreat

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    I think either player could be had with the right offer, but teams would have to make it worth it for Morey and I doubt that happens. I highly doubt that Morey is actively trying to ship anyone, I'd bet that people are making him offers and it's being leaked as him trying to ship players.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    The article is terrible, but the question is a good one and it's interesting to see the poll. I believe Morey this far: he's not going to take less than full value for them and he's willing to go into the season with them on the roster if no one is offering full value. Trade deadline is probably a different deal. However, I'm sure he is still talking about deals for those guys with other teams. Especially for Asik, both because he's the more valuable player and because I really don't think he fits in the offense anymore. That said, he may well be holding out for the big fish (an LMA-like target), which would explain his willingness to keep them in the meantime.
     
  3. jocar

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    Morey shaking down teams or pitting them against each other for higher bids on Asik? Proposing different trade packages for Lin? He couldn't have possibly exhausted all avenues, but he might have decided to hang up the phones (or not) after making such a comment. The question is whether you think he did or not.
     
  4. IzakDavid13

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    Lin is a great marketable commodity in the Asian market, awesome on the pick'n'roll & accurate with the lob pass. He isn't going anywhere for now.
     
  5. webattorney

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    It's not "obvious" to me that Harden is a better play maker. Harden is a good passer for a SG, I agree, but I think Lin is a better play maker.
     
  6. webattorney

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    Let me clarify the above post. I wasn't sure the difference between "passer" and "playmaker", but it's not obvious to me that Harden is a better passer or playmaker than Lin. It's arguable but I don't know why the writer says it's "obvious". That kind of comment makes me believe that the article writer (not OP) has not seen all Rockets games last season.
     
  7. jim1961

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    One possibility is that a player who has been silent up to now sees his team lagging in terms of improvement and/or taking a unbecoming direction. Said player becomes more vocal about wanting out.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Well, you're wrong. Harden is clearly a better playmaker, but that's not a knock on Lin, he's decent for a young PG, but Harden is a superstar player.
     
  9. webattorney

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    I do agree that Lin is very, very good in transition passes and movement; and long lob passes. Predictable but his long, forward passes are almost always right on target.
     
  10. jordnnnn

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    Lin might be better at making plays for others, but when people talk about play making I think they are talking about more than just for others but also themselves. Since Harden is top tier in creating plays for himself and a pretty decent play maker for others, the combo puts him ahead of Lin.
     
  11. webattorney

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    I have no argument that Harden is a better player overall, but I disagree that it's "obvious" that Harden is a better playmaker from what I observed, and I watched almost all Rockets games last year. They are both good playmakers from what I observed. In addition, I admit I am not clear on the difference between "passer" and "playmaker". If by being a better "playmaker", it includes creating plays for himself, I agree that Harden is a better playmaker.
     
  12. webattorney

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    I thought that might be it. In that case, I admit that Harden is a better playmaker than Lin. However, I still don't understand why the article writer said it's "obvious" that Harden is a better passer.
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    He may not have exhausted all avenues, but he likely has explored all of the most realistic "low hanging fruit" avenues. What is left over may end up happening but the chances are pretty small at this point.
     
  14. jocar

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    Wtf? Why are you talking to me like I wrote the article? Go to his webpage and post your comments there before you ruin another thread by derailing it. On 2nd thought, this thread kinda sucked anyway, so LOF it uuUUUUup! Harden vs. Lin in 3.....2.....1....

    J/k eff off.
     
  15. webattorney

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    WTF, I already said not the OP. Read what I wrote before you make accusations.
     
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    It's hard to discuss with someone whose reading ability is severely lacking. I took care to note that I am not talking about the OP (jocar) but the article writer's statements.
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    Lin, probably. I'm not sure anyone want's his contract and more than likely you will be getting a worse one in return.

    Omer. I hope so but won't be surprised to see him moved. I do think it's an experiment at needs to play out for the first few months though
     
  18. jocar

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    I should've just left the article out of this thread. Some ppl become too defensive every time his name is mentioned. Only posted it because that's what made me want to ask the question about MOREY.
     
  19. Carl Herrera

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    BTW... Meh, bleacher report BS.
     
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    I agree Asik is likely to be moved. Asik is too much money for a backup center and we already have Smith. Houston is reportedly looking to sign Camby. So Asik is on the table. Jeremy was the engine of the high octane offence for much of the blow out wins. His penetrations took apart opponent's offence resulting in a totally unexpected playoff berth as well as one of the top 3 offences of the League, as the youngest and newest team (newest in the sense of the newness of the players playing together and of the new coach under a new system).

    Jeremy also showed the upside with his improvement in shooting 3 after the ASG. His improvement is way better than the young Parker, Kidd, or the current Rondo. So why not give him another year to what he can do/improve. Besides his proven pnr skill (with Tyson Chandler) will only help Howard's scoring. Howard don't need another ball dominant selfish scoring machine like Kobe. An improved Lin will definitely complement Howard's game, even more so than Harden who has a lot more ISO plays not involving Howard.

    Jeremy is also more likely to stay because of the business side of thing. Les sure doesn't want all those Chinese ads to stop in the home games nor those China exhibition games to be cancelled. What he plays more for Lin's real worth as a basketballer, he gets it back from Lin's marketability.
     

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