Not sure what you are trying to prove. I said he has yet to win a playoffs series during his coaching in Houston, is that correct? So you bring up his career playoffs record. Yeah, sure, the last time he won a playoffs series was six years ago. He went to the final once, in a short season. Maybe I should count that as 0.5 Final experience because ppl always say Spurs win 2.5 Championships. It was nice he won some series without home court advantage. But on the other hand, one has to think out loud why he didn't have the home court advantage in the first place? Maybe it was because his team was not good enough in the regular season so they always had to play underdog in the playoffs, just like what Rox is doing in these days? Hey, I said again and again JVG is a solid coach, his regular and playoffs records both prove it. But he is not a championship coach. Not even close. I refuse to consider him a coach at the same level as Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Raily, Larry Brown, etc. Not yet. I can only hope he can prove his value like many Houston fans expected. I hope he can do it this season. WCF will be a good enough reason to give him an extension. Otherwise, I'd like to see Rox brass give someone else a chance other than just changing the roster every season.
That is very true, I really don't remember any players venting hate about JVG, aside from SF3 for a little bit after the trade but even then he did give some praise as well
there is no need to debate point to point. my answer is no simply because there are better teams with greater coach out there. POP, Avery ...
I hope you are right, but I don't think that he has it in him. When is the last time that JVG got a technical DURING the game to stand up for his players? He should be all over the refs about Yao etc... JVG = Good coach, but I am not convinced he is a championship coach. I think he is too controlling and has a hard time thinking outside the box. DD
Now he's not a great coach because he doesn't stand up for his players (according to you) and get techincals. Lets forget about his constant calling out of the refs game after game, and the 100,000's of fines he's paid for it. Sure, JVG just lets the refs mis-treat Yao and doesn't say a thing... sure. Also, if you think JVG is too controlling, what the hell is Pat Riley, Poppovich, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown... all of those guys are "my way or the highway" guys. Hell, so is Avery Johnson, Scott Skiles, and most other coaches of successful teams.
How much money did JVG give in fines for that very purpose? As for the techs, to be honest I'm surprised he doesn't get more than he does, because he always bickering with the refs
It is correct. His first year, he got the Rockets to the playoffs and lost to a clearly superior Lakers team with 4 future Hall of Famers on the roster. The second year, he lost in 7 games to a clearly superior Dallas team that had won 16 of its last 18 regular season games. The third year ... you know very well what happened.
Its probably because he approaches them in a rational/non-controversial/inquisitive manner.... actually wanting to discuss their reasoning or why they made certain calls... instead of just throwing some testosterone-induced hissy-fit. But, apparently throwing tantrums and getting techs = championship coach. Who knew.
yes if...............jvg seeks out coaching help on the off. side of the ball. i like how he treats his players (francis and the superbowl) they are all accountable. i also like how he REALLY pushes his players to play defence (its ness for a championship). right now i have good feelings, mac is back and looking good and we all know yao will come back from this fine. here is to a strong 07 and possibly a championship?
What do you mean by thinking outside the box? You want him to coach like Don Nelson? Does Popovich, Jerry Sloan, or Larry Brown think "outside the box"? Aren't they great coaches?
The last technical I remember JVG getting was with 2:22 left in the Clippers game last month (the one where Yao got hurt). Padgett had just been called for a cheap-ass shooting foul that sent Brand to the line. The Rockets were (incredibly enough) still in that game despite being without Yao and Tracy. The free throw shooting at the end of that game is what kept the Clippers ahead... JVG has a history of standing up for his players when they're getting screwed. Remember the big fine in the Dallas series?
Sam Mitchell Lawrence Frank Isaiah Thomas Doc Rivers Maurice Cheeks Flip Saunders Scott Skiles Mike Brown Rick Carlisle Terry Stotts Brian Hill Eddie Jordan Mike Woodson Bernie Bickerstaff Jerry Sloan George Karl Dwane Casey Nate McMillan Bob Hill Mike D'antoni Don Nelson Eric Mussleman Mike Dunlavey Avery Johnson Byron Scott Tony Barone These are all the coaches, by division, who are currently in the NBA but have not won a championship. That includes every coach besides Poppovich, Riley, and Phil Jackson. Apparently, if teams need these so-called "championship caliber" coaches to win... there are a lot of teams that are in trouble. Once again... you can't be a championship coach if you haven't won a championship. Larry Brown is a perfect example of a coach who finally got the full respect he deserved only after he won a championship.
That was not DURING the game but after...and yes....he did stand up between games, but he needs to get on the refs DURING the game...he can make a difference other than barking out plays and yelling at everyone BUT Tmac for making mistakes. DD
JVG is a championship caliber coach, and Houston is a championship caliber team. If you was to throw all the coaches into a pool and have a coaching draft JVG would be a top 5 pick. Phil, Sloan, Pop would all be up there. Riley is a question mark since he just walked out on his team(for the 2nd time, although I give him the benefit of the doubt that they quit on him) D'Antoni is in the same mold as Rick Adelman, good offensive coach, no defense. Which as we know always got them to the playoffs but never to a title series. Avery Johnson is on the most loaded team in the league, so he can't help but always contend year after year. JVG has taken an 8th seeded injury plagued Knicks to the Finals. So he has been there before.(note that JVG's Knicks were a far inferior team that lost to a far superior Spurs while the Mavs were superior to the Heat and still lost with a 2-0 lead and the league's best road record) So why can't he take what is arguably the best roster he ever had to the promised land. "He doesn't develop players" What are we, the Bobcats!!?? We're not looking for the "p" word. We're in a "win now" mode, you didn't see Phil Jackson playing a whole bunch of rookies in his championship seasons. Head has come along nicely and in the past two season has even won us some games with his clutch play. You earn playing time with JVG as with any championship caliber coach. What did Darko do in his title year? What about Wayne Simien? Beno Udrih? Absolutely nothing. Because Vspan and Novak don't get 25-30 minutes a game people here are whining, if they proved themselves in practice then maybe we might see more of them.
So, if he yells at T-mac during a game (like Pop does to Manu/TP), you'll be happy? And if you actually go to a game, you'll see that he constantly gets on the refs (like all coaches do) throughout the game... quit judging things based on the 2-3 minutes you see on the tv broadcast as they cut away to commericial. You can't make logical decisions/conclusions based on information that sketchy. How many techs to Pat Riley or Phil Jackson get in a game? Sure, Poppovich (like Rudy) is more animated... and tends to complain more... but I still don't see that as a quality that makes him a "championship coach." Coaches like Doc Rivers, Isaiah Thomas, and Maurice Cheeks constantly get techs due to their b****ing... doesn't make them any better.
But he is not a championship coach. Not even close. I refuse to consider him a coach at the same level as Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Raily, Larry Brown, etc. Not yet. well no one is putting him among the greatest of all time. Plus, he doesnt have to be PJ, pop, PR, and LB to win a championship. But i dont see how you can say he is not even close b/c...well he has been to a championship. And barring ewings injury, who knows what would have happened.
Totally agree. He is good but does not have the quality at the championship level. I think our team is a contender and will win a or more titles with a better coach.
Why would JVG need to yell at T-Mac. T-Mac isn't perfect, but at the same time his isn't mistake prone. Pop yells at his players(Manu, Tony) because they are mistake prone. Have anyone ever seen them play? Both of them are a turnover waiting to happen. If it wasn't for Duncan we would be seeing 2 players on the same team avg dbl-digit turnovers.
