durvasa, you should very well know that every almost every free agent that has been brought, or traded, JVG had a hand in. How else do u explain CD completely changing the types of players he brings now? If you're gonna play we dont know that for sure card, I dont think I can argue about this any longer. But come on, besides maybe the draft, JVG has a huge part in any decision CD makes. The roster is now shaped A-Z according to how JVG wants it. And what players did he give a really good chance to? Mike James and his half year? Swifts 1 year? Eddie Griffins 2 weeks? Derek Andersons 2 months? Rafer has only been hear a year and a half. What about Vspan? Novak? Wells? Dude, I'm not trying to dog JVG. But my point is, what the hell has he done as a Rocket that makes u say, he's a great coach, he's taking us to the promise land baby!! Unless we go deep this year, he should be gone, thats all there is to it. Its a b****, but he should get the same treatment he gives out to players.
True... But he also needs healthy players. I have re-read the entire thread and I totally see the good debate going on. I guess its because we finally got some civil, objective posters on the thread instead of senseless bashing. So, I apologize. Shows you that sometimes the first reaction is not the right one. By the way, I do think JVG can lead a team to the promise land. I think he can do it here. Its too bad that the team can't stay healthy for him so we can truly see how good we are. All that said, he has had 4 years. I think that is enough time. He has to get out of the first round and fight hard during round 2 to have me support another year. I know we need a healthy team to make it happen. But, who said life is fair anyways?
Almu, Do you think that his coaching style might cause more injuries? JVG certainly plays his starters heavy minutes. I wonder if he works his guys a bit too much? Or, mabye he is just an unlucky guy. He kind of reminds me of pig pen with that cloud following him around. DD
JVG, Yao,TMac,Battier,Head- good enough to win a championship But I guess the proof will be when they do....so are they good enough,,,,,well they haven't won one yet.....so I guess they never will be?WHATEVER! Evetyone else are not good enough to win a championship......and I guess no other coach is good enough to win a championship now for the rockets because.....no other coach has won one with the rockets yet......and with the common logic around here no coach is good enough besides Phil, Larry,POPs, and Riley.....everyone else I guess by that logic has no chance of taking the rockets all the way. JVG RULES, except for the players mentioned above, the rest are better than if not NBDL material to alot of people besides me, but the reason I like JVG is he could get these guys to win with discipline........ So I'm not worried about JVG....I'm worried about the other 11 players....
looks like i gotcha leaning more the other way but yes, of all the fire gundy threads, this one is one reading over. Even if it takes a while. I dont have a problem w/ JVG when he has a healthy team. But thats my whole point. A great coach will win despite the situation. Maybe not all the way, but remain competitive. My problem is JVG does not respond w/ different game plans etc. For example, he'll keep running Inside Out offense with Yao out sometimes. Wont go deeper on his bench unless he is completely injury depleted. And then those players are not used to performing etc.......I think he can win, but with only a great squad, w/ good veteran leaders, and all healthy.........but then u and I can win with that!
Almu, Do you think that his coaching style might cause more injuries? JVG certainly plays his starters heavy minutes. I wonder if he works his guys a bit too much? Or, mabye he is just an unlucky guy. He kind of reminds me of pig pen with that cloud following him around. DD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Exactly, luck is part of the game. Besides, we had multiple injuries because JVG works guys too much. Bobby Sura's career is shortened because JVG kept him playing on bad knees and other injuries. Sura's an old guy who wanted to play as much as possible despite career threatening injuries and pain. JVG is a guy who wants to pump up his winning percentage as much as possible. Two fools make a tragedy. Now Sura can work his a$$ off still having no chance for a comeback as his body is worn out too much. Yao Ming's durability is worsened because JVG kept playing him major minutes despite his feet being infected to pump up his winning percentage. However, god doesn't like short sighted persons and rewarded JVG a Yao surgery that helped JVG to lose. Then, when playoffs couldn't be made, JVG took another short sighted move by playing Yao major minutes to pump up his winning percentage. God didn't like it and handed out a foot fracture to poor Yao. The story is Yao has become JVG's slave worker who suffers from the exploitation of the slave master. After all the pounding in the post play after play, night after night JVG's exhaustive style of using Yao have worn out Yao's body a little, giving rise to a foot fracture and knee fracture in less than a year. The occurance of multiple major injuries has something to do with the most workload of a center in the league as well as the most workload ever for a guy above 7'3", by JVG's design, Yao is building his career up at the cost of his sustainability. JVG is more vicious than a capitialist. He reminds me of these guys who reap short term economical benefits while polluting environment at the cost of sustainability. JVG has not been a lucky coach because God doesn't like shorted sightedness.
what I noticed is that members who have been on this board for a long time don't agree with JVG beeing a championship coach! real fans know whats up, hehe! I want to pull this thread up, we are going to need to discuss this many times... we have a pretty good schedule up this month, this could show some bad and good signs about JVG lets get it!
You guys are selling JVG short I reckon I certainly Dont think he is up there with the best of coaches but He can definitely bring us a ring with yaomacattier
The Proof is in May If we do not get out of the second round I will be SEVERELY disappointed. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=122709&page=3 Alot of us think we have the Talent and A Lot here think we have a coach the proof will be in May and June Yao should be well and back in shape T-mac should be still good I think we have more than enough talent If he cannot get this team out of the 2nd round I have serious concerns about his coaching ability Rocket River IMO . .the playoffs are about Emotion and wanting it more than the next guy a coach has to get his squad hype
With the exceptions of Greg Poppovich, Phil Jackson, or Pat Riley, I don't think there are any better coaches more suited to coach this team to a championship. JVG has coached some great New York teams deep into the playoffs buying into his defense-first philosophy. Many of his players like and respect him, so I think that the Rockets are very capable of winning a championship under him.
Oddson, A well argued post. And I agree with it for the most part, I just think that with the new rule changes, teams that have more perimeter players that attack the rim will win out over the traditional slow it down possession defense kind of guys. Just my .02. DD
Pop played a 19 year old rookie drafted LATE in the first round because he knew the team would be better off in the long run. Pop played a 25 year old rookie out of control playmaker player in Manu because he knew the team would be better off in the long run. JVG - well, he is playing for a contract extension, screw the future. DD
