1. Lots of people say Artest is a great teammate. That's not the case with Starbury. 2. We need back up center more than another PG.
so what happend to spending the vet minimum on dikembe? right now, all I ask of a PG is someone who can bring the ball up and shoot 3s...thats it. We can leave penetration to the rest for now
V3.0, I hear your argument, it makes sense on some level, but I wanted to get your take on why Marbury is viewed as a selfish ball hog? He has a careeer assists per game average of 7.8....that is pretty good. Maybe in NY he was more of a ball hog, but IMHO, he had no one to pass it to. My hope would be, you take a cheap look at the guy and if he fits in passing to Tmac, Artest, Yao, Scola, Landry...heck and embarrasment of riches....you are a better team. If not, and he is still a self centered jerk....you just cut him. DD
You must know his history with teams. Every team he leaves has become much better. Minnesota was a perennial borderline playoff team. Though they didn't get out the first round after he left, they were improving steadily each year and was in the hunt for homecourt advantage since he left. New Jersey went to the Finals twice as soon as he left. Phoenix made it to the WCF and was seen as a contender as soon as he left. There's a HUGE difference between Marbury and Artest. Teammates and coaches had nothing but good things to say about Artest, even during the brawl year and when he was out trying to make rap albums. NOBODY likes Marbury. I have never heard a positive thing from any teammates or coaches about him. Not even his own family.... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...stephon_marburys_cousin_jamel_thomas_wri.html There's no question about his talent. He's probably top 5 in terms of pure talent, but this guy is the ultimate team killer. Go back and listen to those Stephen A Smith videos posted in this thread. Those are actual quotes from Marbury he's talking about..... and you wanna guy like that on this team!? I'd take Rafer, Head.... hell I'd rather bring back Vspan.
Those facts are completely irrelevent to what he would do in Houston, usually he was the centerpiece of the trade, and when he got somewhere he was supposed to lead the team, clearly that is not his strength. I think he has been a headcase, but my belief is that players adjust to whatever role is put before them...and if he was on THIS team, he would fall in line....because he has NEVER been on a team with this much talent, I believe he would do anything to play with Yao, Tmac, Artest and company.... Ok, now we agree. DD
I don't think this is a totally fair argument. In Minnesota, Marbury was replaced by Terrell Brandon, in New Jersey he was replaced by Jason Kidd, and in Phoenix he was replaced by Steve Nash. Of course those teams would get better. Those are great point guards. If he comes here, he's replacing Rafer Alston. Granted, Marbury isn't the same player he was then, but Rafer isn't close to being Brandon, Kidd, or Nash either.
Well, how long would it take to determine whether he fits or not? The Rox needs to break their current rotation to give him a try. If it doesn't workout (with a very high probability), the chemistry might be ruined and the rescue plan is not that simple as just cutting him loose.
Marbury is not just borderline crazy, he's also a chronic loser with an ego the size of his bald brainless Starbury-tatooed head. Do you honestly expect him to change his ways just because he's on a contender? Get real! This is the guy who turned down the chance to play with KG, one of the most unselfish superstars in the league today. This is the guy who said he couldn't get his game going if he's trying to involve other people into the offense. This is the guy who's idea of romancing a girl involves saying six words ("Will you get in the truck?"). The fact that his own team mates hates his guts tells you all you need to know about him -the media will always over hype or rag on a player, but a players' team mates always know the real deal. So I have only one thing to say to those who expect Starbury to have a change of heart, to forget years and years of selfish behavior and suddenly become a pass first, defense second, shoot third model point guard in a team whose number 1 and 1a options are not Alpha male personalities...keep dreaming People don't change overnight, a loser will always be a loser no matter what the situation unless he mans up, accepts his mistakes and starts changing for the better. Look at what MJ did, taking a chance on a "superstar" coach like Larry Brown (the Starbury of coaches). Such a great move....I think they're 1-8 including preseason or something. And its not as if we need his abilities on court. Many people look at his career stats and see superstar, but the fact is Marbury has high stats because he has the ball in his hand so much and always thinks of himself as option A, B and C....his career assists are also a result of this fact. A great fit for Adelman's system is probably a player who has a high bball IQ, can move well without the ball, and is an efficient scorer. Marbury has none of these qualities. He also doesn't play defense so those of you who think Rafer is getting abused by Deron and CP3 are in for a surprise. Finally, getting Marbury is not a low risk, high reward move. It is a medium cost, no reward move. Getting Marbury does not simply mean plopping down 1.3 million and calling it a done deal. It means giving up on getting Deke/backup center since we would have no more slot for him. It means cutting the development of Aron Brooks short(where else would you put Marbury? At sg agains kobe? LOL). Most of all it means trading some of our other guys since we are trying to avoid the luxury tax. You'd go through all that trouble and for what? To see Marbury massage the ball for 20 secs, cost us a few games, destroy any semblance of team harmony and finally get cut? What are you a masochist or something? To be perfectly honest, I'd rather pay Deke, and save whatver is left over of that money for Artest's extension next season.
I have no idea idea who Terrell Brandon is, but yeah Jason Kidd and Nash are great point guards. The point is though, the change in the performance of the teams were tremendous. It wasn't a slight improvement, the teams transformed from loser teams to dominating teams with the change in point guard as New Jersey reached the finalswith Kidd and Nash made the Suns into a powerhouse. The only explanation I can think of is that Starbury actually brought his teams down despite averaging great numbers, because if he didn't then those teams would at least be decent/respectable with him manning the point.
NO. Maybe if we sucked but we don't suck. We actually have 3 guys who can legitimately average 20 PPG. A ball hog point guard is last thing we need.
how many times must this question be asked, in how many different threads? the answer is an emphatic no. This has been answered by the clutchfans members before in previous threads, polls, conversations, etc... the NBA feels the same way. not many interested in Starbury's manic bi-polar tendencies. he makes ron artest look like a saint... NO TO STAPHON MARBURY, HE WILL RUIN THE TEAM
for 1.2 mil hell yea take the chance on marbury a 20 and 8 guy and only 1.2 mil just cut him if hes cancer
They are not related.....if the Rockets want Deke, they can sign him at any point.... Clearly the team is trying to get rid of Head, and maybe Francis even.....to get under the Lux Tax. But if Les feels someone can help the team, he has proven time and time again that he would go into Lux tax to try to help. To me, it is quite simple.... Marbury > Alston And that makes the Rockets better..... If he is a cancer, you simply cut the guy and move on...... DD
