He will get his chance, and if he keeps it up, he will be the quarterback. I'm already excited for the draft.
I think he meant that he doesn't know what "Mettenburger really come TF" is supposed to mean. I know I don't. I could be wrong, but I think Mettenburger is projected as a 5th round pick. That's not necessarily a bad place to take a chance on a QB who has some skills but also some question marks. If you can tap into his potential, great. If not, well, what have the Texans done with their 5th rounders lately? You're not exactly losing much if he doesn't work out. I wouldn't let the LSU thing scare me off. Yeah, Russel was a bust. But Flynn was a 7th round pick and Jefferson wasn't even drafted. It's not like they were expected to be good. That's like saying the Colts shouldn't have drafted Andrew Luck because Trent Edwards sucks. Or shying away from Mariota because of Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kellen Clemens, and Dennis Dixon.
We'll have to see if this last game is an aberration or not, but it looks to me like Arizona adjusted to Keenum's game. Keenum takes more chances and likes to throws the ball deeper than Schaub who preferred the short and intermediate passing game. It looks to me like KC and Indy tried to defend us as if Schaub were still the QB, defending the short and intermediate passes while not worrying that much about the deep ball. Arizona defended the deep pass very well. And knowing that Keenum likes throwing deep, they were comfortable blitzing because they knew that they'd have extra time getting to the QB waiting for those routes to develop. Like Indy in the 2nd half, they largely took Andre out of the game. Andre got 2 TDs, but he was well covered, only had 3 other catches, and less than 40 yards. And Keenum had some balls that definitely should have been picked off a couple of times yesterday. He does take chances and I'm honestly surprised that he hasn't thrown an INT yet, though luck plays a part in that. Maybe it's an adjustment to Keenum now that there's some real tape on him. Or maybe it was Arizona just playing really good D. We'll have to wait and see. If it is because there's now a book on Keenum and his tendencies, it will be interesting to see if and how Keenum and the offense adjust.
If the QB rankins are in this order, Manziel is going to be sitting there when the Texans pick, and Mettenberger would be considered a reach, so there would be a temptation to shore up the OL or a select a WR to replace Andre and save money. No matter how you slice it, that first pick is going to be a controversial pick. Bridgewater Mariota Manziel Mettenberger
... and a record of 0-16... I can't believe I'm going to say this... but (oh, lord... let me sit down) I actually................. I agree with ubigred. Keenum remains an immediate upgrade - but longer term: he's not making critical plays when they're needed, the offense is bogging down at important moments; some of his FI/CI tendencies are being marginalized and he's not making defenses pay for what they're not taking away... IOW... it may *look* different - but isn't really different at all. I'll give him every last second of this season; but we have to know for sure. Right now, his performance is exactly what we *don't* want - terrific play interspersed with terrible play and no real handle on how much of the success/failure is on him. He either needs to go Aaron Rodgers on us, or David Carr and scorch the earth.
You talk like he is out there alone, and he is supposed to overcome any and all adversities thrown at him. He can't overcome his team's limitations and the other team's assault without help. He needs coaching help, protection, and decent field position which he has had very little of. Given the circumstances, he has exceeded my expectations. Is he the future? Too early to answer, but I certainly think he could be. Schaub looked bad much of this season and he had a full compliment of players. Case has essentially no running game and a decimated defense. Schaub had full coaching support, a long training camp with the first team, a top ranked defense. In a sense, Case has been thrown to the wolves and he has done surprisingly well.
same here. young qbs are going to throw bad balls, kaepernick and luck just this week. what is the most urgent is replacing newton and making our defense a feared one.
So do you give up on your franchise guy after 3 games? If you get the number one pick.... Take Clowney. Qb is risky.... See Jags/titans Keenums already better than both. Draft Clowney, keep Smith and grab a corner with next pick.
Literally...exactly...to the word...what my 13 year old boy (who you met at the Astros event) texted back to me when I texted him those stats earlier today. I'm personally pretty impressed with Keenum, and I did not expect to be...I don't think you can ask a whole lot more from a guy making his first 3 career starts. I think that context is being missed. I assume defenses will get better against him...but I also assume he will improve, as well.
You're dead to me. Spoiler Just kidding <3 Spoiler Seriously though, this is Matt Schaub 2008-2010 all over again. Spoiler But for reals... Spoiler
Lost in all of this is that he's flourished under coaches and a system that has consistently put QB's in a position to succeed initially. Schaub found initial success once he got some starting experience and some talent around him. Rosenfels had his best games of his career here. Yates came in and exceeded expectations initially as a rookie. Hell, Leinart probably would have been serviceable enough for that team as well. I do not feel, however, that the Texans system or coaches have the ability to counter-act game plans that specifically deny them what they do well... once the run game gets taken away, and they scout against the play-action/bootleg, they do end up limiting the big-play ability of this offense. Most great offenses get figured out eventually... and teams have to evolve. What Case does the rest of the season, and how this team adjusts once he's specifically game-planned against, will determine which direction they take. Also, allowing this regime to pick/develop a new QB essentially buys them another 3-4 years.... till said QB plays consistently and possibly fails.
Keenum's escapability, arm strength, and accuracy have all been very impressive. More than that, he seems to have the leadership ability that the great ones possess--a team full of veterans have consistently praised his demeanor in the huddle and the locker room. Of the 3 1st round talents, only 1 seems likely to be available when we pick (Manziel). While I love watching Manziel play and sling it around like we're back at recess in elementary school, his immaturity is a real red flag. QB, unlike any other position, requires a leader. When you look at similarly impressive players with questionable leadership abilities, none have proved that they could escape from their personalities and become one of the league's great ones: Michael Vick, Jamarcus Russell, Jeff George, Ryan Leaf to name a few. The only real counter-example I can think of is Brett Favre, who was a hot-head when he first came to Atlanta. Thus, if we're talking about whether to take a QB in the first round, what we're really talking about is Manziel versus Keenum. And if I had to stake my career on it as the Texan's GM (whoever that is), I'm putting my money on Keenum.
As QB friendly as Kubiak offense is, it shouldn't be lost on anyone that only Matt Schaub (to this point) is the only Texans QB that has been able to perform satisfactorily. The list of guys who tried to run Kubiak's system and failed is quite lengthy. It should also not be lost that Keenum isn't just flourishing, he's doing better than almost any QB ever has sum-total in his first 3 starts. Something Schaub sure as hell didn't do. Errr... not sure what you mean by "initial". "Some starting experience and some talent" would tend to contradict the term "initial". I don't think the offense the Texans have run the last 3 weeks is all that similar to the one they ran the first 6 weeks of the year, and it's not even close to the one they ran 2011-2012. Which is what impresses me all the more about Keenum. He is driving a totally wrecked junker in terms of talent with a revamped-on-the-fly gameplan and still keeping things competitive. Meanwhile, the last two seasons we had guys driving blueprinted juggernaut (Leinart, Grossman, Yates) that could barely keep pace. Keenum is doing better with a jalopy than they did with a Porsche. There's absolutely room for improvement, but it's impressive.
For one, you almost have to take a QB because the position is so important. Investing in QB trumps any other need we have. If Keenum plays extraordinarily in 2014 and the rookie QB never steps on the field you cant blame management for playing it safe. QB is something you can never be too cautious about. Saying Manziel is a lock to be third QB taken seems a bit strange. It's too early to tell. There are other players at the position that will have high stock. If it comes down to the 3rd QB taken and an outrageous talent like Barr or Clowney (assuming they grade out as expected) then yeah, you better wait until the 2nd round and go with Carr or something.
If Keenum continues to toss 2, 3 touchdowns with no picks like he has, it'll be awfully tough to replace him. He's doing this with average protection, no rushing attack and average tight end weapons. If the kid (TE) from Tech slips, we better get him in the early second (wishful thinking). Sure, you can draft a QB in the third. It'll be a high third and you will probably get good value in a qb deep draft pool. Edit: If the Texans do decide to draft a QB in the first, my gut feeling is that it'll be Hundley if he's still on the board. Anyone follow UCLA around here? Paging Yoyo.
We're in Andrew Luck's division, do we really want to go up against him every year without an equally studly QB? This is the draft to get that QB. Look how many holes Luck can cover up on the Colts and tell me our biggest need outweighs getting a franchise QB.
You've been watching too much Big 12. I want the TE from Washington. That guy was NFL-ready as a senior in HS. He was by far the standout player on the field when Baylor played Washington (look who's watching Big 12 now, lulz) and RG3 and both RB's had great games.
Not saying you're wrong. But Keenum basically outplayed Luck last week. No idea why anyone wouldn't feel confident going toe to toe with the Colts if we had a new RT and kicker.
