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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Onepaks, May 12, 2008.

  1. mw_mw

    mw_mw Member

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    they both suck... and I live in Toronto
     
  2. aelliott

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    Why won't the Raptors or Rockets do this deal?

    Because it's illegal under the current NBA collective bargaining agreement. If Calderon signs a deal like that then he becomes a Base Year Compensation (BYC) player. That means for the purpose of the trade he counts $7M incoming salary for the Rockets, but only $3.5M outgoing salary for the Raptors. That would then prevent the incoming and outgoing salaries of each side of the trade from being within the required 25%.

    With both the Rockets and Raptors being over the cap, signing Calderon to a contract like that would require either a large exception (which I don't think either team has) or it would require a team with that type of cap space to be involved. Currently I believe that ony Memphis, Philly and possibly Miami will have significant cap space and I doubt that they'll waste a large chunk of it just to help out the Rockets.

    The other possibility would be to enlarge the deal so that the total salaries exchanged is much larger and the $3.5M BYC difference will fit within the allowed 25% margin. Of course, that would require that the salaries exchanged would be increased to around $14M on each side. I don't see that happening either.
     
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    ^ damn....actual analysis!

    if the salaries i have for battier and brooks are correct, they add up to 7.41946 million. Which means that Calderon's salary couldn't be below 11.88 million.

    Can the Rockets use their $2.4 million trade exception in the deal? If so, that reduces starting salary to $9.48 million. Which is probably too high still for Calderon, but not if he continues to improve. Could handcuff you with that salary but on the other hand, could be a good deal in 3 years time...

    is that math how it works?
     
  4. abc2007

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    How about Battier + Jackson + Head for Calderon + Kapono?

     
  5. GATER

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    C'mon...you've been around here long enough to know that Exceptions can NOT be combined in a single transaction . :D
     
  6. vstexas09

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    that lineup looks like trash...must i remind you about sf3
     
  7. Bassem

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    1. Too difficult to do

    2. I don't like it

    3. Keep everyone on the team and get a good back up SF and Center. Hoping everyone will be healthy this year, we'll kick everyone's ass, believe me. In the first 12 games of the 22 streak, I felt that we were the best team in the league and could have beat any team. And that was without Steve Francis. So I think if we have a full healthy squad, and our star players step up to the fullest potential then we'll have a great team. Next year, the team will be much more used to Adelman's system. The players and the coaches understand each other a lot more, and I really believe that we can do it next year with a healthy squad.
     
  8. JayZ750

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    DAMN! Straight up just for Battier, we could offer a starting salary of $10.20 million, which would go out as $5.1 for the Raptors while taking in Shane's $6.37 million, or a 25% difference...

    That's pretty hefty for Calderon - almost as much as Nash, Parker, Billups.

    And if I'm thinking of the math right, the only way to get that down would be to trade less in salary to the Raptors, not more. So unless they are willing to do Battier straight up, and the Rockets aren't concerned about such a high starting salary, it could be a tough road to hoe.

    I'd prefer someone like Maggette in a sign and trade at the same price.
     
  9. el_locoteee

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    Why is Kidd in that list??????

    I will keep Alston over Kidd 10X
     
  10. Alvin Choo

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    1) nope, would not works financially, and i think raps can get better players for chalderon.

    2)nope, pietrus is good in NBA 2k8, but in real life, no thanks. I rather have Gerald Green than pietrus.

    3) nope, miller is a shooter that can mix in at rox, but taking in brown? I think morey can do better than that with Bjax contract.

    4)nope, landry will want more than that 2m. considering the role he is playing right now.

    and you really thinks that

    is better than this year squad?
     
  11. SkipToMyLou22

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    Or Yao or Scola or Landry =)
     
  12. battousai

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    Can we stop these non-sense trading senario talks? no one that we wanted will give us what we wanted without breaking off our legs or arms.

    everyone knows that our success of the 22 winning streak came from our rookies. They are our biggest assets and teams will want them.

    Are we going to give up relatively cheap rookie contracts with so much upside for proven player(s)? Brooks, Landry, or Scola?

    Personally, it depends on how landry injury looks, he's a keeper along with scola. They both completes our PF spots with Yao. Hayes on the other hand is expandable.

    We just need to find out from deke if he's going to come back, if not than we need a backup C that can play 15 to 20mins a game.

    Battier is what we needed at the 3, as he is our glue guy and defensive specialist. His 3pts are pretty good around the corners. I wouldn't trade him unless we get an upgrade, ala artest.

    Tmac will be our 2, and yes head is useless in the playoffs and most likely his number is up. packaging head with hayes or other will not get us anything more than scrubs or draft picks.

    Bjax expiring contract will look better toward the Feb deadline, as of now in the summer no teams will consider adding him. He is just too expensive for one year rental for other teams.

    SF, no value left and we will see how he pans out. this may be his last year with the NBA.

    Alston and Brooks, I still think alston will be the best option for us at the PG, but depends on how fast brooks will pickup as backup, we may need another pg as backup if Bjax traded.

    realistically, I see us making small trades and signing in the summer. Then we make one move before the deadline.

    Morey needs to take a look at the success/failure of the Suns. That franchise was screwed by a cheap owner. They let JJ, TT, and marion go/trade. Each of their moves were gearing towards saving money and not winning championship.
     
  13. drich

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    neither one of them think about defense so what the hell are you talking about.
     
  14. drich

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    I would trade battier and a filler for artest any day of the week and then you turn around and call memphis and trade bjax and fillers for mike miller. Of course artest would have to be a sign and trade for me to want to do that one and by doing this you will have a scorer coming off the bench in mike miller.
     
  15. Hayesfan

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    He is???

    Can we make him about 6'10" then? I think that would expand him enough to make us set at the big man spots.

    Is anyone else expandable? Think of the possibilities! ;)
     
  16. prv1981

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    This is an unneccesary thread, the GARM does not need another one of these Calderon threads when there is like 5 other offseason speculation threads.
     
  17. prv1981

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    This is an unneccesary thread, the GARM already has like 5 other offseason speculation threads not to mention like 2 other calderon threads.

    Lastly the trade proposals are off base and unrealistic.
     
  18. aelliott

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    That might work for Toronto's side of the deal but it doesn't work for Houston's side. It would be $6.37M out and $10.2M in. That's more than a 25% increase in the salary, so it doesn't work.
     
  19. Rockets4279

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    Correct he is the heart and sole to our defense. There is not tomany Battier's in this league why trade off a hard to replace piece for a question mark in return?

    Sure Posey is a good defender but this is why Battier started over him.
     

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