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Do Red-Band Trailers actually Work

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  1. rpr52121

    rpr52121 Sober Fan
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    This is a bit of a rant, but what is the deal with all the red-band trailers? Is it really that necessary. You go to rottentomatoes, see a movie you think may be okay, and find half the trailers red band. It's not like putting them online "with age restriction" really blocks children and teenagers from accessing them.

    I guess considering half the movies coming out these days only know how to be funny using crude & suggestive sexual references, jokes, stereotypes, and situation it is the only way to make a trailer now.

    So, do you think they actually work? Should they be allowed?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/movies/24kick.html
    Cat-and-Mouse for a Trashy Trailer

    By BROOKS BARNES
    LOS ANGELES — They’re not the kind of things people say in polite society, or even impolite society. Saying them, even in jest, can get a drink tossed in your face and the glass with it.

    Yet there they are, roaring out of the mouth of a cute little 11-year-old girl.

    A trailer for the forthcoming film “Kick-Ass” that depicts the girl wielding a gun and using highly, highly profane language is igniting debate about how Hollywood advertises its R-rated films on the Web.

    Movie marketers in recent years have increasingly relied on raunchy ads known as “red-band” trailers to stir interest in their films. While most trailers are approved for broad audiences by the Motion Picture Association of America, the red-labeled variety usually include nudity, profanity and other material deemed inappropriate for children. Many theaters refuse to run these trailers, but they are widely distributed online — and that is at the root of the current dust-up.

    One R-rated trailer for the movie, about a teenage boy who tries to become a superhero, was released by Lionsgate in late December and has become a Web phenomenon. The trailer primarily focuses on Hit Girl, an 11-year-old sword- and gun-wielding vigilante played by Chloë Moretz (who just turned 13 in real life). Nicolas Cage plays her father, an equally menacing oddball named Big Daddy.

    In the trailer Hit Girl salts her conversation with language so graphic that it would make a biker blanch; it’s well beyond the kind of garden- variety profanity that has seeped into mainstream culture. She then shoots a man in the face and uses a whip to kill another.

    Lionsgate, which acquired the North American distribution rights to this independently produced film, released another red-band trailer on Friday. This one adds references to masturbation in the boy’s voice and has another cascade of under-age cursing.

    In both instances Lionsgate complied with industry rules for red-band trailers. The Motion Picture Association of America, the trade organization that bestows ratings and regulates movie advertising, restricts release of these ads to sites that require viewers to pass an age-verification test, in which viewers 17 and older have to match their names, birthdays and ZIP codes against public records on file.

    The problem is that the raunchy trailers pop up on sites without age restrictions almost instantaneously. Fans copy them to their own blogs and Facebook profiles and post them outside of YouTube’s so-called age gates. All movie trailers go viral, but the red-band ones speed across the Internet with an added velocity because of their “can you believe what they just said” nature.

    “Studios hide behind the notion of an age requirement for these trailers, but it’s pure fiction,” said Nell Minow, a lawyer who reviews films for radio stations and Beliefnet.com under the name Movie Mom. “It’s easy for kids to access, and that’s exactly how the industry wants it.”

    Moreover, the severity of age policing varies, with some sites — including the Trailer Park section of MySpace, which had the red-band version as of Tuesday — seemingly leaving it to the honor system and asking for only an easily lied-about birth date. (A MySpace spokeswoman, Tracy Akelrud, said the site used other controls to detect under-age users. “If you are under 17, you will be blocked,” she said.)

    The global nature of the Internet poses another challenge: foreign Web sites, which do not fall under control of the motion picture association, are easily reached through Google.

    Red-band trailers had such a bad reputation in some studio circles that as recently as 2007, Warner Brothers wouldn’t even do them, saying it cost too much to make trailers for such a niche audience. But at the moment, one of the hottest trailers on the Web is a red-band variety for Warner’s “Cop-Out,” featuring a cursing 10-year-old. The Hollywood Reporter wrote about its “all new potty-mouthed flavor!”

    Ms. Minow, who is also a shareholder activist and the daughter of Newton N. Minow, a former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, has been stewing about red-band trailers for years, but the particularly graphic ones for “Kick-Ass” have brought her to a boil. She said she had lodged multiple complaints with the motion picture association in recent weeks. Other family advocacy groups — including one as far-flung as Australia — are rallying around her.

    “These particular trailers are even worse than normal because they depict a child and so are more interesting to children,” Ms. Minow said. She is also upset that the movie showcases a child engaging in such behavior in the first place, adding, “Isn’t there a limit to what we can ask children to do on screen?” (Similar questions were raised in 1976 when a 13-year-old Jodie Foster played a teenage prostitute in “Taxi Driver.”)

    The film at the center of the new controversy, directed by Matthew Vaughn, with a budget of around $35 million and set for release in the United States on April 16, is based on the popular — and equally violent — comic book series of the same title by Mark Millar. Mr. Vaughn’s company, Marv Films, and Plan B Entertainment, a company owned by Brad Pitt, financed the movie. Advance interest in the film is enormous, according to pre-release tracking surveys, and Hollywood widely expects it to be a hit.

    The motion picture organization acknowledges the problem of “bleed” — the term the industry uses for marketing materials that spread beyond their specific target audience — but bristles at the notion that it could do more to protect children from inappropriate movie advertising.

    “We devote enormous resources to making certain that kids don’t encounter these trailers,” said Marilyn Gordon, the organization’s senior vice president for advertising. “That said, we can’t scrub the entire Internet.”

    She said the association proactively searched for sites that provide unrestricted access to red-band trailers and, working with studios, demanded their removal. Since the Hit Girl trailer was released in December, Ms. Gordon said the organization had found 86 sites providing unrestricted access. As of Monday, all but a few had removed the video. One of the remaining was out of the organization’s jurisdiction: a fan site in Eastern Europe.

    Lionsgate, which gained notoriety as the studio behind the violent “Saw” franchise, in many ways prides itself on button-pushing marketing. But with this film, studio executives say they are simply using red-band trailers to educate moviegoers about exactly what awaits. Because of Motion Picture Association of America restrictions, the “green band” trailer approved for broad audiences features little swearing or sex references and depicts comparatively little violence.

    In a statement the studio said, “It’s really important for people to know what kind of movie this is so they can make an appropriate decision about whether or not they want to see it.”
     
  2. wfox

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    Don't really know what you're trying to rant against. Is this a rant against red-band trailers, ease of access for minors, or baseness of movies recently?

    I think it's fair to let studios release red band trailers. They're only trying to market their product and attract the biggest audience. If they can do it better with a red-band trailer, they should be able to as long as they have that warning.

    I remember watching tame trailers for the Hangover, and I remember thinking how idiotic and boring the movie seemed. However, as we all know. the movie actually turned out to be amazing, and most of the funny situations were those that couldn't be shown in a normal trailer. You shouldn't handicap good movies because their material is offensive, especially when they provide that age warning. Just because some movies are completely asinine and shallow doesn't mean all mature films are the same.
     
  3. finalsbound

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    sorry, i like crudeness, smut, and general inappropriateness in my comedies. and red band trailers are better representations of the actual movie.

    i'll skip the pg-rated trailer to watch the red band.
     
  4. Lynus302

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    Agreed. I'll take all the vulgarity you can throw at me, please.
     
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    You all say that you preferred the Red-band Trailer.

    However, it seems that even if there was no Red-band Trailer for the movies that you mention, you would have still gone to see them.

    So, my point was what is the need for the red band trailer if they are not going increase the likelihood of you seeing the movie. If you are going to see it anyways based on the regular pg trailer, there is no need to have red-band trailers.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    They used to work when theaters acted as a filter.

    I'm not sure you can argue banning them on the net when kids can find other things on the net that is far more obscene or profane.
     
  7. Coach AI

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    What's the point of a second or third trailer then? Or a tv spot for that matter?

    Studios are trying to promote their movies as much as possible. Giving the audiences as many glimpses into the film is a big part of that advertising.

    If your opposition has nothing to do with the actual content, then I see nothing wrong with it and it's really no different than any other film release.

    And for the record, there have been movies that I thought watered down trailer was just 'okay', whereas the red band did make me look forward to a release a little bit more.
     
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    Did you miss post #2 where wfox mentioned that the PG trailers for The Hangover made the movie look really stupid? I actually decided not to see the movie based on the trailers. After I heard from people who went to see it that it was actually a good movie, I decided I would give it a try.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    In the case of Kick Ass, I remember posting the first non red band trailer and still some people on this board thought it was like a sequel to Sky High or something because some people have really piss poor attention spans. And don't tell me about "the children!" because at least they have to type in some numbers to get around the age gate, everywhere else on the web they can access p*rn pretty easily.


    BTW, one of my favorite bloggers made a post about this nytimes piece a while ago:

     
  10. rocketsjudoka

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    While I don't have a strong opinion on Red Band trailers this is a really stupid retort.
     
  11. moestavern19

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    Do these people even realize that children can watch hardcore p*rnography involving the most sick and twisted displays of sado-masochism straight out of a Marquis De Sade novel by simply clicking "Yes" when asked if they are over 18?


    One movie that I went to see with a friend that I was actually not expecting to be that raunchy was "The 40 year old virgin". I had seen the trailer and it looked funny, but not really in a gross-out way. I remember thinking after seeing that film that we really need to allow these film studios to properly market their content toward adults.
     

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