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Do ESPN anal-ysts want AI in Houston?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tigermission1, Dec 12, 2006.

  1. Sooner423

    Sooner423 Member

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    Do you guys think T-Mac would even play for Philly? It seems like he would be entering a very similar situation to the one he was in with Orlando.
     
  2. yowyao

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    isiah Thomas is NOT the GM of Philly, so there's no effing way philly will trade AI for tmac.
     
  3. Kam

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    I love the way AI plays, but at 6-0, and 165, he would get killed every night.

    He's just as broken as T-Mac.
     
  4. RocketTiger

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    This works on realgm ai,korver for alston t-mac. I dont think philly would do it but i think we would be better without the worry or t-mac's back going out at any time. Maybee throw in a first round for it.

    Iverson,head
    korver,wells
    battier,snyder
    hayes,howard,novak
    Yao,Mutumbo
     
  5. blazer_ben

    blazer_ben Rookie

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    That philly team was an elite, elite defensive machine. they had Mckie in he's prime. moutombo had some of he's best years there. tyron hill was a defensive rebounding beast. not to mention Keith vanhorn was a very good player back then.
     
  6. ferrarif1286

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    tmac is cancer right now
     
  7. macfan

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    and you're a fcking moron who has nothing good to say on this board
     
  8. BigM

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    let's not pretend like you don't have an iverson love-fest going on over there.

    there is no way that an iverson-yao combo is better than a t-mac-yao combo.
    this team wins because it's defense is fantastic and tracy is a HUGE part of that.
    i understand the risk with t-mac and i definitely understand why you want to do the trade but i think our best chance of winning a championship is with t-mac even if it's a gamble that he'll make it through the entire post-season.
     
  9. blazer_ben

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    How so?. tracy has put he's game aside to try to make yao the number 1 option. do you honestly think a 41% field goal and 22% 3 point shooter ball hog like Iverson will do the same?. dumb rookie :rolleyes:
     
  10. ROXTXIA

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    Part of me wonders if TMac will magically heal once AI is traded. Morey comes from the Celtics who get into that winning-brain psychology stuff, and AI is supposedly ranked high on that chart.

    I know, I know, that's belaboring it. I mean, I'm sure TMac didn't play enough of a great game Saturday night to make sure we'd win, then feign an injury that would keep him out just long enough to survive the trade scare. Nope, never happen.

    If Philly would take TMac for AI, I'd do it, but not to keep AI, simply to improve our roster (3 team trade).

    But with TMac's back, Philly would counter our proposal with, "You can have Webber." TMac + Juwan for CWebb + Iguodala + Philly's 2007 draft pick. We'd hang up the phone.
     
  11. AXG

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    I heard this argument on the radio this morning and the problem with trading Iversom for TMac is the defense. Our backcourt would be too small, no matter who you plsce alongside AI. Head is 6-3 amd not a strong guy. Alston is 6-2 ans he can't guard anybody. I just don't see it working out. if he is our PG, will he give the ball up enough to Yao?
     
  12. Amel

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    wow

    Webber and Iverson

    I rather kill my self before I see that!
     
  13. Amel

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    oh yea

    I forgot my 1 star for this thread
     
  14. battousai

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    In all honesty, I don't think Phill will want Tmac near their city at all cost. no team in NBA right now would want tmac on their teams.

    Phill wants expiring contracts, picks, and young talents. Not alot of team out there willing to part with their young talents or picks for this summer, specially when this summer is suppose to be one of the deeper draft year.

    Everyone wants to dump their bad contracts or trash onto Phill, except for bobcats who AI rejected.

    I think given our current position, Yao entering his prime, Tmac final couple of ears, CD last season, and the mode is to win now. adding AI may not be a bad idea, if we do not have to give up tmac.

    I know broke back Tmac condition, but if we got AI, tmac wouldn't need to carry the team as much as before. even a standing Tmac would draw defenders away from Yao. Tmac is the type of player that his teammates can feed off from his mere present on the court.

    We can offer head (young talent), howard (get a 3rd team involved, Nets), sura(expiring contract), wells (talent and expiring contract), alston, and our TE. (or switch one with either navak, span, hayes, synder, or draft pick)

    AI/JL3
    Tmac/synder/span
    battier/padgette
    Hayes/novak
    Yao/deke

    then we can sign some junks to fill in the role.
     
  15. SpiffyRifi

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    A TMac for Iverson trade would be a horrible decision for the Rockets. Iverson can flat out score, no doubt about that, BUT I don't think he makes his team any better. Do you really think he would be unselfish enough to pass to Yao? Would Iverson be willing to accept second fiddle to Yao? NO WAY! He's a shoot first point guard, something we DON'T want in Houston. There is no doubt TMAC will ever be the same. But, even though his shot isn't what is used to be, he has found other ways to make up for that. He's a flatout play maker.

    Plus, Van Gundy benched Bonzi for 20 games because of his bad attitude, how well do you really think AI and JVG would get along? Yeah, we may miss TMac for some games do to injury, but I promise you we'd lose AI for just as many games because he was in the dog house! Plus why would we want to mess with the chemistry on this team right now? Even without TMac the Rockets nearly beat the Lakers. When Kirk Snyder is back and healthy and Bonzi is in game shape we're going to be unstobbable. We're winning 66% of our games and people on this board are thinking of making a trade with on of our marquee players...shame on you, will nothing ever be good enough?!
     
  16. rumcoke

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    additionally, how many bad shots will iverson take in houston? A LOT. the guy is a bad shot machine. his defense is overrated because he plays the passing lanes so much. i'd rather gamble with tmac's health than with iverson's attitude. besides, he's 31, and although he's probably going to prove us wrong and average 31 pts for 10 more years, he's not the right player for the rockets.

    however, stop the rookie hate :p we're not that bad
     
  17. Rox225

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    I was at the Rockets game last night and a few things glared out daring the game.

    1. No T-Mac no defensive glue for this team. We're way undersized in the guard position, not to mention the PF position.

    2. No creators to attack basket or slash to get own shots.

    3. Yao still tentative when he has to be the man, even despite his performance in D.C.

    The only way the Rockets can win with no T-Mac to take pressure off of Yao is if they spread the floor ala Olajuwon days and drain a high percentage of 3's. The only problem with that is Yao still hasn't developed great passing skills out of double teams.

    The first observation is a reason I would not trade T-mac for AI. We'd have a horrible time with opposing guards and only leave Yao exposed in the middle. The second and third are reasons to trade for AI. AI's ability to attack the basket would take pressure off of Yao in the post, and open things up for our shooters. Yao's lack of attitude means that the Rockets need an aggressive perimeter player. With all that being said I still wouldn't trade T-Mac for AI, but I would make a call to Philly and NJ if I were CD to see if there was any possibility at all in making a deal.

    Before I get into the trade scenario I'll just say this about AI's faults. Yeah, he's got a bad attitude and he and Van Gundy may implode the team, but he automatically makes you a contender again given T-Mac's back issues. Lets face it, if T-Mac is out again for a long period of time we're going nowhere in the playoffs if we make it. This would be my biggest concern but something I'd take a risk on given his production.

    Also, AI may not have a great shooting percentage but he still has averaged over 6 assists per game and has a near 2:1 a/to ratio. Add on the 2 steals pg he averages and I can live with that. Afterall, Rafer isn't much better at feeding the ball to anyone and takes to many shots himself. I'd rather live with AI taking those shots.

    So the trade....

    Houston Trades:

    PG Rafer Alston
    SG Bob Sura
    SF Bonzi Wells
    SF Steve Novak
    1st Round Pick
    and Trade Exception

    New Jersey Trades:

    PF Clifford Robinson
    PG Jeff McInnis
    PF Josh Boone
    C Mikki Moore

    Philadelphia Trades:

    PG Allen Iverson
    PF Allen Henderson
    PG Kevin Ollie

    Philadelphia Receives:

    PG Jeff McInnis (expiring contract)
    C Mikki Moore (expiring contract)
    PF Josh Boone (rookie w/ potential)
    SF Steve Novak (rookie w/potential)
    SF Bonzi Wells (contract/potential)
    PG Rafer Alston (decent pg/better in open floor)
    SG Bob Sura
    Rockets Trade Exception
    1st round draft pick

    New Jersey Receives:

    PF Alan Henderson (expiring contract)
    PG Kevin Ollie
    PF Juwan Howard

    Houston Receives:

    PG Allen Iverson
    PF Clifford Robinson

    Long shot given all the players involved and other teams offers. All in all it is just a thought to make the day go by ala office space style.
     
  18. rumcoke

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    tmac's shot was coming around the last few games. we can only hope that this latest bout of back spasms will not derail his game like it has before. fortunately, it doesn't look like he's going to be out too long. not enough time for the rust to settle in. get well, tracy!
     
  19. JumpMan

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    In regards to the brain stuff, McGrady and Iverson are exactly alike.
     
  20. blazer_ben

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    You're more intelligent then ferrari it seems. not saying all of them are bad. just the ones that make outlandish comments like tracy is a cancer.
     

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