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Do Condi and Bush Have A Constitutional Right to Start Wars or Invasions?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. pirc1

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    Even if Clinton was wrong to send the troops around the world, have you noticed the difference in national debt under Clinton and Bush Jr? When you cann't afford it, stop wasting money on elective wars!!!
     
  2. Bullard4Life

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    The Republicans raised a sh!tfit about it. Limited US operations in mutliateral peace-keeping missions is different than starting a war for no identifiable reason that requires massive troop commitments and logistical operations.
     
  3. MadMax

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    yes, it was. there were loads of conservatives hand-wringing about sending troops into Bosnia, for example.
     
  4. Deckard

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    Loads and loads. When they weren't crying about how much perjury was a crime (Kay Bailey is such a tool!), they were crying about "stupid, criminal foreign intervention." Anyone who doesn't remember is either too young, has a selective memory, or just wasn't paying attention.

    Maybe they were busy being in love... if that's the case, they are forgiven. ;)


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  5. R0ckets03

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    Is Bush trying to make EVERY SINGLE Muslim in the world hate him?
     
  6. pippendagimp

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    "Lying is a moral wrong. Perjury is a lie told under oath that is legally wrong....Such would be an impeachable offense. To say otherwise would be to severely lower the moral and legal standards of accountability that are imposed on ordinary citizens every day. The same standard should be imposed on our leaders....I will not compromise this simple but high moral principle in order to avoid serious consequences to a successor President who may choose to ignore it."
    - Kay Bailey Hutchison, 2/12/99

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/hutchison.html
     
  7. glynch

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    Perfect!! Kay Bailey the little ex cheer leader from UT looks like the Breck girl as she fools the faithful.
     
  8. glynch

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    Who Are We to Pick Syria's President?
    Could someone recommend one for us?
    by Paul Craig Roberts

    Someone should tell Condi Rice that the game is up. With the Bush administration dissolving in illegalities committed by key officials in their attempts to protect the lies that they used to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the secretary of state is trying to ramp up war against Syria.

    Grasping a UN report that uses unreliable witnesses to implicate Syria in the assassination of a former Lebanese government official, Condi Rice told the BBC on Oct. 23 that Syria's crime cannot be "left lying on the table. This really has to be dealt with."

    This is amazing for many reasons. Here is the person in charge of U.S. diplomacy acting as if she is the secretary of war unsheathing military force. Whoever heard of an American diplomat wanting to start a war because a former Middle Eastern government official was assassinated?


    The UN investigator, Detlev Mehlis, has no more idea who assassinated the former official than the U.S. knows who is responsible for assassinating the many Iraqi officials under its protection. After more than two and one-half years of war in Iraq, the U.S. still doesn't know exactly whom it is fighting. Yet Mehlis blames Syria for an assassination on the strength of an informer described by the German news magazine Der Spiegel as a convicted felon and swindler.

    On the basis of the word of a convicted felon and swindler, Condi Rice wants a high level UN Security Council meeting to condemn Syria so the Bush administration can bring about "regime change" in Syria.

    With the U.S. Department of State doing everything it can to demonize and destabilize Syria, Condi Rice's mouthpiece, Adam Ereli, declared that Syria must end attempts to destabilize its neighbors. This is the type of propaganda we were fed about Iraq. Syria is not destabilizing any country. It is all Syria can do to maintain its own stability. The U.S. is the great Middle East destabilizer.

    Isn't the secretary of state aware that the government of which she is a part is in dire difficulties because it went to war based on highly unreliable "intelligence" supplied by highly unreliable people?

    Does the secretary of state read the CIA reports? Doesn't she know that the U.S. has created extraordinary instability in Iraq? A country that formerly had no terrorists now serves as a training ground for al-Qaeda, according to the CIA.

    Is this the time to repeat the Iraq blunder in Syria?

    The American people should be terrified by the warmongering ideologues that President Bush has put in charge of his government. The greatest danger that the U.S. faces are the fools in the Bush administration.

    Why is Syria being demonized? Syrian troops were part of the U.S. coalition organized by President George Herbert Walker Bush that liberated Kuwait in 1991 from Saddam Hussein. The current head of government in Syria is a mild-mannered ophthalmologist who inherited the post five years ago when his older brother was killed in a car crash.

    Syria has done nothing to the U.S. and poses no threat to the U.S. The Syrian government is concerned about Syria becoming unhinged by schisms like the Sunni-Shi'ite schism set loose in Iraq by the incompetent Bush administration.

    Why does Condi Rice think the Bush administration has the right to decide who heads the Syrian government? According to news reports, the Bush administration has asked the Israeli and Italian governments to nominate a replacement for the current president of Syria.

    A country incapable of choosing a better president than George W. Bush has no business choosing a president for any other country. In place of aggressive interference in the internal affairs of other countries, the U.S. needs to find a competent president for itself.

    Maybe we should ask the Italians whom they would recommend.

    http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=7771
     
  9. Zboy

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    Ouch!!
     
  10. mc mark

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    Truth hurts!
     
  11. jo mama

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    Here's what Republicans said about Clinton and Kosovo

    Why did they second-guess our commitment to freedom from genocide and demand that we cut and run?

    "President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be
    away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."

    -Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

    "No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."

    -Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

    "American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."

    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

    "If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

    -Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush


    Why did they demoralize our brave men and women in uniform?

    "I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning...I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."

    -Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)


    "You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo."

    -Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99


    "Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years"

    -Joe Scarborough (R-FL)


    "I'm on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we're running out of cruise missles. I can't tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we're almost out of cruise missles."

    -Senator Inhofe (R-OK )

    "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

    "I don't know that Milosevic will ever raise a white flag"

    -Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

    "Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"

    -Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99


    Why didn't they support our president in a time of war?


    "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

    -Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


    "This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."

    -Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

    "The two powers that have ICBMs that can reach the United States are Russia and China. Here we go in. We're taking on not just Milosevic. We can't just say, 'that little guy, we can whip him.' We have these two other powers that have missiles that can reach us, and we have zero defense thanks to this president."

    -Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)


    "You can support the troops but not the president"

    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


    "My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

    -Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)


    For us to call this a victory and to commend the President of the United States as the Commander in Chief showing great leadership in Operation Allied Force is a farce"
    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


    Why did they blame America first?

    Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly."

    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


    "Once the bombing commenced, I think then Milosevic unleashed his forces, and then that's when the slaughtering and the massive ethnic cleansing really started"

    -Senator Don Nickles (R-OK)

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    Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all of these problems to explode"

    -Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)


    "America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

    -Pat Buchanan (R)


    "These international war criminals were led by Gen. Wesley Clark ...who clicked his shiny heels for the commander-in-grief, Bill Clinton."

    -Michael Savage


    "This has been an unmitigated disaster ... Ask the Chinese embassy. Ask all the people in Belgrade that we've killed. Ask the refugees that we've killed. Ask the people in nursing homes. Ask the people in hospitals."

    -Representative Joe Scarborough (R-FL)


    "It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring "wars of national liberation."

    -Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)


    "America has no vital interest in whose flag flies over Kosovo's capital, and no right to attack and kill Serb soldiers fighting on their own soil to preserve the territorial integrity of their own country"

    -Pat Buchanan (R )


    "By the order to launch air strikes against Serbia, NATO and President Clinton have entered uncharted territory in mankind's history. Not even Hitler's grab of the Sudetenland in the 1930s, which eventually led to WW II, ranks as a comparable travesty. For, there are no American interests whatsoever that the NATO bombing will
    either help, or protect; only needless risks to which it exposes the American soldiers and assets, not to mention the victims on the ground in Serbia."

    -Bob Djurdjevic, founder of Truth in Media
     
  12. Bullard4Life

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    Burlosconi may be a crook but at least the team he owns wins and he doesn't start wars.
     
  13. MadMax

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    perjury is still a crime. (sorry, i couldn't let that one go)
     
  14. Deckard

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    That was the point I was making, Max. On this past Sunday morning "talking head" shows, she said the exact opposite. She's attempted to backtrack a bit, since her '99 quotes grabbed her foot and placed it firmly in her big mouth, but she was the very definition of a hypocrite. She needs to be placed in Webster's.



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