when it got out that the chicago bulls offer was miller, tyrus thomas, and either kirk hinrich or john salmons with no draft picks or a young player in return, new york started to lower it offer by saying we are not trading hill and a 2012 draft pick. Clearly that dmorey had multiple discussions with sacramento about kevin martin but he was not availiable because sacramento wanted to see how ty evans and kevin martin would work. but, if they made a move for kevin martin they asked for carl landry back in any deal they could do with houston. dmorey before sound that he was not willing to give up calr landry so talks never went anywhere. Not liking the bull's offer dmorey had no chose but to offer landry to sacramento so they could some leverage with the knicks. with the thinking that if it we deal tmac with landry and get martin and sacramento just release tmac later after the trade new york main reason the knicks was interested in tmac contract so they can sign two max free agents would be gone by not moving either eddy curry or jared jeffiers. walsh then could not take that risk and have any of the big four free agents of stoudamire, wade, bosh and lebron not go to new york with only by himself and give up 30 million dollars because their own current team is closer to winning a title and they would get 30 million more from their current team. dmorey pointed this out in his press conference that it hard for a player to give up 30 million dollars to go to another team. by making the decision to trade landry then it created leverage with new york and keep the offer the same but it cost landry because the lack of interest of the the bulls offer cause dmorey was using both to upper their offer but the bulls wasable to fing to move salmons to clear more cap space but the knicks had no leverage because no one had interest in jared or curry. dmorey tried to make up for landry by trying to trae for stoudamire but i guess dmorey just run out of time but if he had maybe a few days he could get it done. dmorey not liking offers from chicago force him to deal landry and it was hard for him to give up landry and like he said to get something you have to get something and fans need to give up something....
Add a couple thoughts: 1)The Sac-Hou deal materialized around 1:30am et, a perfect time since it's a total surprise move so close to the deadline and so late(early in the morningļ¼ that puts incredible pressure on NY side. This kind of bomb could force the most experienced GM to panic. 2)Instead of possibly receiving cash from NY for the original deal, Hou will actually send cash out to Sac. But it's money well spent, becuase it won't hurt any cap/luxury tax line spending this way.
My (purely speculative) translation: I had previously asked Sacramento about Martin. They told me that if we wanted him, I'd have to give up Landry. I said "OK, we'll think about it" and moved on to other options. Then this week we were negotiating with NY, and they were holding out. I told Walsh I had other options, and he said, well, Daryl, you're welcome to try them, and if you come up with something, you can always call me and I'll tell you whether our offer's still available. The deadline was approaching, and we were still sitting here with McGrady's contract, and we had to either take what they were offering or find a better option. So I called Sacramento and said, OK, we're willing to include Landry to get Martin. If you're still interested, let's talk details. And we worked out terms that I knew would keep the NY option open. Then I called Walsh and told him we were going forward with the Sacramento part, and it was his call whether to get in on the action. At that point he made some concessions on the terms, and we had a deal.
Daryl is a smart man... very smart man... and he knew he could use time and other offers to back the Knicks into the corner they were already standing near.
Very interesting statement. To me it means we most likely keep Scola and Lowry, but it also opens up the Rockets for a sign and trade. The Rockets will have whoever they select in the draft this year plus two very tantalizing picks from the Knicks to dangle. Granted it would be nice to steal one of NY's targets and keep their picks. :grin:
If you sign another team's free agent the maximum length of the contract is 5 years and the maximum raise from year to year is 8% (of first year salary). If you resign your own FA (with Bird Rights) then you can give them a 6 yr deal with annual raises of 10.5% For max dollar players the extra year of the contract and the extra 2.5% raise each season equates to almost $30M.
Something that bugs me is some people talk about Houston having assets for a S&T as somehow being superior for recruiting max free agents to outright capspace (like NY's obtained by dumping Jeffries). It's not like a free agent has to choose between a straight-up signing with NY and a S&T with Houston. While granted New York basically has no assets now to throw into a S&T, technically speaking, the Knicks can also do a S&T. In other words, If Lebron wants a S&T with NY, he should still be able to get it provided the Cavs are willing to take whatever NY can offer in a S&T. Any capologists care to comment?
i can sense it now. Morey is cooking up something big for us in the summer. He said we are not out of the tier one FA this summer. Meaning we get a one shot of acquiring lebron, wade, bosh, CP, JJ...etc Those are the ones that I would consider tier one. we may not get Lebron or Wade, but Bosh? Big chance. While every freaking team out there that are trying to pry the FA via leaving big cap spaces. we are enough assets to do a sign and trade. Those two picks from NYC is going to worth alot more than people think. The wizard said it, we may not even use the picks. (we will throw in for S&T)
You are correct about this. What the cap space gives NY are the following: (1) obviously, the opportunity to sign a guy outright (2) a realistic threat to the Cavs that Lebron signs with them with no compensation going to the Cavs. Lebron can say, either you take David Lee (or maybe Wilson Chandler) for me in a S&T to get me the extra money or I sign with Knicks outright and take the hit (the money is significant, but he's gonna make a ton anyway). Lebron can't make the realistic threat that he'll take the MLE from Houston unless Clevleand sign and trade him to Houston. That would just be laughable. An interesting thing is that Lebron can, however, threaten to take the max from New York unless Cavs trade him to Houston-- I suspect Morey knows this and might use it to leverage a big FA's team. (3) a simpler S&T to work out becuase, being under the cap, they don't have to match contracts numbers. They cang give Cleveland (or Miami or Toronto, etc) David Lee (signed to, say, a $9 mil a year contract) or a much smaller salary guy like Toney Douglas or Chandler, this is, by the way, what happened with some of the S&Ts for big money guys done in the past (TMac, Grant Hill, even Rashard Lewis, I think). A team like the Rockets will have to match salaries if they want to work out a S&T-- meaning the other team will have to take back at least something like $13-14 mil in salaries for the upcoming season for a Lebron/Wade/Bosh signed for, say, $16-17 mil the first year. The thing is, you might not have $13-14 mil in players that the other team wants (or even want to take their salaries on). For example, the Knicks, with no cap room, tried to do a S&T for Chris Webber when his contract came up years ago in SAC. Webber had some interest in joining NY, the big city club, at that time. The Knicks offered Allan Houston, who was needed for salary matching, and I don't think SAC even wanted to take on that salary let alone trade Chris Webber for him. So, nothing came of it. Also, if you take away $13-14 mil in player that the other team would actually want, most of the team that means a serioius depletion in your own talent level, which means that FA will have to play with ****tier talent. Now, the Rockets actually might be the rare exception to the foregoing rationale. I can actually see them having $13-14 mil of talent the other team would want, or at least not mind taking back. Shane Battier makes $7 mil, a re-signed Scola probably makes the same, as does Jare Jeffries (who is an expiring contract, so not bad for salary balance purpose only). They can probably afford to trade either Lowry (if he's signed back) or Brooks and play the other one more. Budinger can also be thrown in without hurting their rotaton much, given that we still got Martin (who himself might be a trade piece), Ariza and Battier. And then there are the draft picks. But it's still gonna be somewhat tougher than in a situation where you don't have to worry about cap. So... we'll see, the Rockets have kind of a chance, but really just a chance. I don't think they did the deal yesterday specifically to get a chance to do a S&T Bosh, Lebron or Amare, but they'll try if the opportunity is there. And by the way, given that they weren't gonna have much cap room anyway by just letting McGrady expire-- certainly not enough to offer the max to a Lebron, it's not like loading up on the Jeffries and Martin salary really made much of a difference negatively. I think they are better off with the "max FA" possiblity now than they were a couple days ago, but obviously a team with actual max cap room would still be better.
