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DJ Augustin vs. Rafer Alston

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Baqui99, Mar 7, 2007.

  1. KAS13

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    Not at all. I think Durant is the best player I've seen in a long time. He's one of my favorite players. My point in that people overrate DJ.

    Instead of coming up with a valid argument about my opinion it's a lot easier to call someone an Aggie if they aren't in love with somebody who plays for UT.

    I can tell you this, he isn't better then Mayo or Rose for sure. Those guys are top 5 picks if they were aloowed to come out THIS year. You could debate Gordon but you probably wouldn't get far. Corey Fisher is a reach but I think he's really underrated and is going to make a huge impact on Villanova. Then you have your Lawson's and Collison's who are really good players. It's going to be really hard for any pg to be National Player of the year (unless they are an elite talent like Mayo or Rose) but DJ is not on that level. He's the reason UT lost today IMHO. He made bad decisions down the stretch. He's a possible first round pick but nothing more.
     
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    Gibson is more of an NBA player then he was a college guy. He never found his nitch at UT.
     
  3. halfbreed

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    Not sure if he's an Aggie but "UT Hater" is more appropriate, imo.
     
  4. KAS13

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    That's such garbage. The only basis you have to base that comment on is that I thought we should pick Bush over Young (I later admitted I as wrong about VY) and that USC would win the Rose Bowl (I came in the next day and gav UT credit. I'm not a UT hater. Durant, Roy Williams, Derrick Johnson,Nathan Vasher and TJ Ford are some of my favorite players. I like VY too , I just misjudged him and respect his accomplishments.
     
  5. KAS13

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    The real truth here for all the UT fans (half of whom are fake fans but whatever) is if you don't jock every UT player you're a hater.

    If you gave me the first pick, I take Durant. I watch UT games to watch him play. However, because I don't agree with your take on DJ I'm a hater. I'm a Michigan fan.
     
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    Figured I'd get nothing. Half of you probably don' know Rose, Gordon or Fisher. I'm sure everyone knows Mayo. National Player of the Year my ass. You have yours this year in Durant, DJ has no chance
     
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    DJ is a better defender, ball hander, play maker, and shooter than Daniel Gibson, who in my opinion has been overrated since he finished high school. I don't see any reason DJ wouldn't be a better NBA player. DJ will also probably be pretty comparable to Rafer in the previously listed categories except shooting. DJ is obviously a better shooter than Rafer. Unlike most on this board, I actually like Rafer's game except his shooting.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    DJ will make a good NBA player.

    And guys lay off Kas13...those are just his opinions.....

    SHEESH !

    DD
     
  9. dsnow23

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    Easy there Pot.
     
  10. KAS13

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    That's really hard to say. Many say Gibson was overrated (I was one who believed that as well) bu he adjusted pretty well once he got to the NBA. Some players are more meant for the league then college (i.e Gerald Wallace wasn't a superstar at Alabama like everyone thought but nw that he's getting his shot in the pros and developed he's turned out to be a nice player). The free flowing offense of the pro game better fits him. Unfortunately I'll use one of our guys as an example of the flip side...Terrence Morris. If he comes out as z Freshmanhe goes top 5 but instead his game declines into basically an overseas player.

    When Gibson got the starting nod for the Cavs he played pretty well (from what I saw). He defended extremely well, handled the ball average for an NBA pg and showed play making and slashing ability. I think he may turn out to be better then you think.

    DJ is still a college freshman. He's a good one, but not a great one. Ball handler and passer, definitely. I'll wait till he's a pro before I judge their shooting. I'm not involving Rafer in this b/c it doesn't really make a lot of sense. They are different players and I see no point in more Rafer debates.

    My point was to say that people who tout DJ as a future National Player of the Year and elite pg (to me elite means top 3 at your position) are overrating him. No way he's better then Mayo or Rose and i listed Gordon, Fisher, Collison and Lawson all of whom could have arguments made for them. PG or sf is going to be the strongest position is college next year.
     
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    Thank you. It seems you're the only person who realizes I'm not even bashing DJ. I'm still yet to hear an argument from a UT fan (and I don't want some guy on the radio said it) as to why they think DJ could be a National Player of the Year Candidate next year. With that please tell me in what areas of the game he is better then Mayo or Derrick Rose
     
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    I must be the only one who thinks a) he's not quick enough for the nba, and b) he plays out of control sometimes. I know his stats don't reflect b. but that being said, he's only a freshman. I think the the comparison to nelson is a bit premature who I thought was a much better scorer, but again, nelson was a senior.
     
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    Anyone who thinks D.J. Augustin will be a college player of the year candidate next year is out of their mind. He's a good player, especially for a freshman, but let's not go off the deep end (even though that's what happens here all the time).
     
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    The guy has tremendous upside and has shown a ton of poise in his first year. If he continues to improve next year, I don't see him hanging around for his junior year. He'll be a lotto pick for sure.
     
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    Thank you again (although to some you just became an Aggie or UT hater :rolleyes: ). DJ isn't even close to what they claim. Of course, that's why there's been no response to my post challenging them to tell me how he's better then 2 guys who are coming out of high school.
     
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    You can't predict that. It's an assumption. I think first round pick is fair
     
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    Augustin is a nice solid player, but is not a great player. He really doesn't have the tools to be a lotto pick, but hey who knows what atlanta will do in a year or two
     
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    Now I remember your posts. Yeah, your posts about VY were almost as defiant, angry and rude as Meowgi and others.



    You give Durant props because everyone does. He's a freak. DJ, who is right now, just a solid player, you basically urinate on. I think he's the best freshman PG, natl. POY one day? Who knows.



    I don't care if anyone jocks UT players. In fact, I'm one of the few who initially said anything critical about KD.

    But, I don't feel the need to denigrate opposing players. I know Law 4 is a baller. UT isn't the be all end all in every sport.



    You're probably still pissed about the Rose Bowl. I know alot of fans around the country who have that "anyone but UT" attitude.
     
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    Cuz they're high school players. Were there alot of "Durant is better than Tyler Hansborough" posts last year?
     
  20. KAS13

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    No they weren't actually. Did I think Young was overrated, yes. Did I argue his weaknesses and that we should pick Bush, yes. Did I come in and give him his props after the Rose Bowl and admit I was wrong about him as well as UT, yes. So you are wrong on that notion.


    I give Durant props b/c he is one of my favorite players and he deserves them. I guess calling somebody a "future first round pick" (you should read my posts before you make yourself look dumb) is urinating on them. I guess thousands of other college players would love to e "urinated on" as you so elequently put it. Ok, you can argue he's the best freshman pg and make a legit argument. Future college POY, your argument won't get past first base (like most in this thread think).

    Maybe you did, so what? A lot of the UT lovers do feel that way.

    Who's denegrating opposing players. If you had thread the thread before popping off you would have said i called him a future #1 pick (although you picked me out for some reason when others didn't even think that much about him such as pgabriel). Nice that you can acknowledge Law 4 is a baller. What, would else would you say? Julian Wright is a baller too, so is Brandon Wright.

    I could really careless about the Rose Bowl dude. I came in the day after and gave UT props. I have a signed picture from VY scoring he winning TD in the Rose Bowl framed in my house. Yeah, I'm super pissed. Keep making assumptions and using the UT hater excuse and not making any real debatable argument for what I said.
     

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