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Disgruntled Lowry feels it’s his time to move on

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BossHogg713, May 25, 2012.

  1. jtr

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    I read your post twice. Great post! Thank you. I think I have the same humility - I would do no better in an NBA organization.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    Boston is a 4 seed.
     
  3. jtr

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    I could not agree more. But I don't think McHale had a chance to implement his system. The lock out probably made the result a foregone conclusion. IMHO it was not McHale's fault. And the win % was almost identical to the prior year. With the same players plus an upgraded 5 rotation. And losing the starting back court.

    But yes it is all about talent. And there are those draft picks, cap room, and low cost unknown potential players. We can hope can't we?
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    McHale had plenty of time to implement his system, it is high PnR with the PG penetrating and dishing out, it is an outside/in system...

    The problem was that what was sold to the fans was that Finch was going to keep Adelman's system in place, which was highly effective for our roster.

    Instead, we had declining years from?

    Kevin Martin
    Luis Scola
    Kyle Lowry

    3 of our primary guys went down in production because they no longer had the quality looks that Adelman's system provided.

    Not surprised.

    DD
     
  5. jtr

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    DD - you do know that I hold you in high regard I hope. But two of the players you listed suffered just this side of season ending injuries. And Scola's season last year was about his average.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1781/luis-scola

    And we both know all of the other issues with those players. For instance the NBA revamping how and when the defense is called for a shooting foul.
     
  6. Bball_Gill

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    Thanks again Carl. I need a better memory or to check my facts before I post. Some time ago, I did a some quick research on how seedings and championships. Seems like if you are not an at least a third seed you are a real outlier.

    Looks like Boston fits that bill this year.
     
  7. TEXNIFICENT

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    I sure hope so. :grin:
     
  8. HillBoy

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    OK then, if this is so, then exactly WHY did Morey choose to hire this guy again? I'm still waiting to see the upside from replacing someone like Adelman with this guy. And you just added another excuse to Rockets official pile of excuses for why they cannot compete: "We didn't have time to learn Kevin McHale's "system".

    To answer your question: yes. I didn't see anything from McHale that was any different from what I saw when he coached Minny. And remember: McHale is not supposed to be the X's & O's guy in charge - that little duty falls to his assistant coaches who are so much more knowledgeable about these matters. McHale is supposed to be the CEO who provides leadership, experience and jokes only now, we are supposed to take him seriously as a head coach. Yeahhhhh...

    Now while I happen to agree with you about the players need to STFU and look to themselves to play better, I can see where the years of mediocrity coupled with the lack of identity, strategy and direction from the front office have begun to take their toll. Lowry wants to win and simply does not see anything from McHale that would indicate that he is the kind of coach who can make that happen. I certainly cannot blame him for that because I don't see it either.
     
  9. thetatomatis

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    500 happened with Adelman too. So players have everything to do with two coaches and the same results. Time to put up or shut up for them. Morey needs to replace them. They have already proven with two coaches they are mediocre. Some of them? Do need replacing. That is all there is to it. No matter if their coach sucks. Heck I would tell you Spoelstra sucks at coaching. This team has no talent for the playoffs. Period.
     
  10. HillBoy

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    You want ludicrous? You should have been around here during the Eddie Griffin episode when all of the red koolaid armchair psychologists started lecturing and pontificating on the woes of addiction and depression that were preventing poor EG from realizing his full potential as a basketball player.
     
  11. J.R.

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    [rquoter]When Kyle Lowry is demanding, I have one response: Please.

    He's a good player but don't get carried away with yourself. Kevin McHale can't coach you now? Your above being coached? I just don't get it. Coming to Houston was the best thing for his career. Be thankful, be humble, if you have some issue with your coach, just walk in the office and tell him what your problem is and then accept what Kevin McHale has to say back to you. If you want to be honest, accept the honesty back in return from your coach. This is something that can be worked out. Going to the paper and basically saying "It's me or him", come on.

    I don't get from his standpoint why he'd want out of Houston. He started, he never started before really, he's played well, he's played for Rick Adelman and now Kevin McHale and has done well. He's a pretty good player but you do not want to overplay your hand in any situation. Kevin McHale, I thought he did an outstanding job. I thought to get them to the point of where with Kyle Lowry's injury, Kevin Martin's injury, that they were still in the playoffs and had a tough stretch down the end. I thought he and his staff did a fantastic job coming in new, no training camp. I don't know why Kyle Lowry isn't just talking about what the team has to do to improve, what he has to do to play better and go at it from a positive standpoint. [/rquoter]

    Thanks Jeff! :p
     
  12. DaDakota

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    LOVE JVG in the media !

    DD
     
  13. HillBoy

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    Yeah, I caught that little bit of PR for the Rockets on 790 today. It reminded me of whenever they talk to someone about the Astros and start the interview with the official Astros excuse: "Crane had no choice but to accept the move to the AL if he wanted to buy the team." It was a typical JVG non-answer - I mean exactly WHAT did you expect JVG to say? After all, last time I looked, he's employed to do game broadcasts so I hardly expect him to come out and say anything that doesn't toe the company line. Players call out coaches all the time - sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. I don't see where Lowry is so out of line here because whatever Mchale was doing did not work.

    I find it funny how all of the Rocketsheep around here have turned on Lowry simply for questioning McHale. Why, just one year ago you folks were signing hosannas about him. Now you can't wait to get rid of a player who simply wants to win. To gauge the reactions here, one would be led to believe that Lowry had dared question the likes of Popvich, Jackson, Carlisle or Auerbach. No, far from it: we're talking about Kevin McHale here - the guy who left a burned out crater where the Minnesota Timberwolves once stood. Just WTF has he done as a coach that should exempt him from having his methods questioned? Perhaps it's because with the Rockets, making excuses are more important than producing results.
     
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  14. Carl Herrera

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    Got a link to the audio?

    And I found this:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-lRHXiE8Y5Y" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  15. xiki

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    Excuses are for losers. Ooops... :eek:

    I love Lowry. Trade him. Because Dragic is give-or-take as good and Lowry can bring something of quality back and GDI GD can only bring an empty signature line.

    So, re-sign The Dragon. Make a solid trade for Lowry. Use the picks wisely in deals coupled with existing ASSETS (not. a. dirty. word.) and let's see if Season II is a hit or a strike-out.
     
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    Thanks!



    You do know that Jeff Van Gundy works for ESPN and not the Rockets, right? You have noticed that the Rockets game broadcasts were done by Bill Worrell, Matt Bullard and Clyde Drexler, none of whom looks or sounds remotely like Jeff Van Gundy right?

    You do understand that, if Van Gundy actually did work for the Rockets, there would have be no way he'd come out and be so blunt about Kyle Lowry, their best trade asset, do you not?

    You are aware of a very recent example in which Jeff Van Gundy ripped an NBA team , no? He doesn't really have a problem with voicing criticism of those whom he deems criticizing.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=220283
     
  18. J.R.

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    Haha awesome find/video CH.

    "Ricky Rubio and Jonny Flynn are both point guards and both have great smiles."

    "The reason this team sucked so badly because most of our players were chosen by Kevin McHale. ... Randy Foye was not a true PG. Had a gap smile. Brewer not a PG. Cheesy smile."

    :grin:
     
  19. jtr

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    Oh wait isn't that what they ran? Yes it was. Are there much more sophisticated offensive out there ? Yes there are. And why did the high pick and roll with pg penetration etc. not work? Because it is about the simplest offense that can be installed. And why did McHale install it instead of any of the much more sophisticated offenses he played in during his 15 year NBA career? OHHHHHHH I don't know. Can you tell me the answer?????
     
  20. jtr

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    LOL. So true and so funny. Nice job.
     

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