This is something I continue to hear and read and it's consistently been proved false, on this board and elsewhere. Let's take that premise of this being used to protect American citizens and apply it to the tragedies that Trump was up in arms about during the campaign. The Orlando and San Bernadino shooters were American citizens who were Muslims. Either you advocate for rounding up all Muslim U.S. citizens in this country and shipping them to internment camps and foreign countries in the name of perceived safety or you understand that these people's minds were warped by radical ideology that uses an "us against them" mindset to perpetuate proxy violence against the West. This administration has chosen to spend it's first week playing into that latter narrative. I don't know about you, but I am much more worried about another home-grown terrorist randomly shooting me after hearing these reports than someone w/ a green card who happens to come from one of these countries. And yes, I'd feel that this whole thing was actually about the security of U.S. citizens if Saudi-Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan were on this list. Also, it seems many of the counter arguments to this can be summed up here:
Tell me why the 5 most populated muslim country is not on the list? So much for the muslim ban. I fully support my president immigration plan.
The list ain't done, according to Preibus. I'll be glad to tell you why Saudi Arabia and Egypt aren't on the list...
No terroristic attack in the United States has been carried out by a national of any of those countries listed on the ban. Overreact much? Trump is a moron. Meanwhile, countries such as Afghanistan, Kyrzgystan, and Saudi Arabia are not banned. Much less places where he has business interests. Maybe he'll be impeached.
“This is not what we fought for, having been in Iraq and working with these interpreters,” Buchalter said in a phone interview Sunday. When he saw an Iraqi family emerge from detention, he presented them with something he hoped would convey America’s goodwill — a Purple Heart. “Knowing their culture and how they view America, for me, it was a way to send a message to them: What they believe America was, it is,” Buchalter said. “It's the greatest place in the world.” View image on Twitter Follow Mike Breen @M_Breen Iraq vet w/ 4 Purple Hearts, drove two hours to Dulles w/ his son. Nobody called him. He just came. Why? "Not what I fought for." 4:32 PM - 28 Jan 2017 61,86961,869 Retweets 115,115115,115 likes View image on Twitter Follow Jessica Lussenhop @Lussenpop This man's wife made it through customs after hours. She's Iraqi. This man in cap & his son gave them a Purple Heart 5:23 PM - 28 Jan 2017 2,3182,318 Retweets 4,8094,809 likes Trump’s executive order Friday to block travelers from seven Muslim-majority nations triggered confusion, fear and anger around the nation as protesters and attorneys gathered at airports to try to force the release of at least dozens of travelers who had unexpectedly become detainees. Many of America’s veterans were among those frustrated by the order, inspired largely by the story of Iraqi interpreter Hameed Khalid Darweesh. Darweesh, 53, was detained after arriving at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, despite holding a special immigrant visa granted to American military translators following a decade of what one U.S. official had deemed “faithful and valuable service to the United States” in Iraq, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Darweesh had worked for the U.S. as an interpreter, engineer and contractor from 2003 to 2013, continuing even as Iraqi colleagues were assassinated for their work supporting the American invasion. Now he wanted to immigrate to the U.S. It had taken Darweesh two years of interviews and security screenings to obtain the visa, but, for the moment, all that appeared to be suddenly worthless. Veterans were infuriated by his story. “The idea that we would be detaining Iraqi interpreters who put their lives on the line to help troops like myself in Iraq is disagraceful,” wrote veteran Jon Soltz, chairman of an Iraq veterans’ political action committee, VoteVets. The group launched a petition calling on Trump to rescind the visa restrictions and to provide aid for U.S. military interpreters. Those frustrated by Darweesh’s treatment included one of his former American colleagues in the 101st Airborne division, Brandon Friedman, who had met Darweesh as an infantry lieutenant when the division swept into Baghdad to drive out the forces of Iraqi autocrat Saddam Hussein. “He was anti-Saddam and wanted to help us,” said Friedman, who would go on to work in the Obama administration, recalling how Darweesh accompanied platoons on dangerous missions. “The guy was absolutely fearless. Guys in our company would go out in all the body armor and everything, and he would go out in khakis and a baseball cap, at least in the beginning.” Follow Brandon Friedman ✔@BFriedmanDC Me and Hameed in Iraq in 2003 and him talking to reporters after his release this morning. Guy is a patriot. Proud to know him. 1:47 PM - 28 Jan 2017 608608 Retweets 1,5301,530 likes Not only was Darweesh’s work essential for soldiers to navigate Iraqi communities, but when a car bomb detonated near the unit’s base, “He was wounded himself, and he pulled wounded soldiers to safety,” Friedman said. And now veterans who knew Darweesh were upset. “If you could see all the Facebook posts from guys in the unit this week, everybody loved him. He was just such an integral part of the unit,” Friedman said. Many veterans were “absolutely” opposed to Trump’s blanket exclusion of military interpreters, “because if you've been over there, you know their importance,” said Friedman. He called the ban “deplorable” and said it gives interpreters less incentive to help U.S. troops in the future. As public scrutiny grew Saturday, protesters and immigration attorneys massed at airports around the nation, and the American Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit against the Trump administration on Darweesh’s behalf. Darweesh was freed earlier in the day, and his ACLU lawsuit later led to a late-night ruling from a federal judge in New York, who temporarily barred American officials from deporting arriving travelers who otherwise had legal travel documents. View image on Twitter Follow Brandon Friedman ✔@BFriedmanDC Hameed stopped Trump. He also once dragged wounded troops to safety. How much does this guy have to do for America before we get it together 9:42 PM - 28 Jan 2017 499499 Retweets 830830 likes But the executive order still makes life uncertain for other Muslims abroad who had assisted the American military and whose hopes for entry to the U.S. have dimmed.
The fact that they included green card holders in their exclusion makes everything that Trump and his team have said about it being from just dangerous areas and not religion a lie. Including green card holders, some of whom have been in the United States for decades paints the idea that it's only because they are from dangerous parts of the world as a lie. The only consistent thing in all of this is that it is hostile to Muslims even if they hold a green card.
That's not necessarily true. The Clinton email scandal was about using an unsecured mode of communication to transmit and receive classified information....and it's not a "might", she for sure did use a private unsecured mode of communication to transmit and receive classified information which is highly illegal. So long as Trump isn't using that phone to transmit or receive classified information, it's not really a big deal.
You've now said this at least twice... have YOU read the order? Here it is... please point to where it states "illegal" immigrants... Emphasis is obviously mine. It does not specify "illegal" and absolutely keeps open the possibility of reporting on crimes committed by person legally living the U.S.
Alien is any person that isn't a US citizen. Clearly, if you restricted to just illegal, you get a much much shorter list of crimes per week (maybe 0 for weeks) and the maximum outrage isn't accomplished.
Broadly; but our government does provide more narrow subsets of aliens (immigrants, non-immigrants, illegal), which include those that are legally allowed permanent or temporary residence within the country. By not specifying "illegal" - which bigtexx repeatedly claimed they had - it leaves open the possibility that legal residents could be part of the list.
