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Disconnect between coach and GM...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roslolian, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. MightyMog

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    Name me the multi-dimensional players? These are players who can effectively score and defend.

    Lee?
    Hill? Still Raw, but needs more playing time
    CBUD? His defense isn't great, but so isn't Shane's
     
  2. HillBoy

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    What multidimensional young players are we talking about here? Because from where I sit, they all have the same set of flaws because that is the roster DM has assembled.
     
  3. leebigez

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    Didn't i say this like 4 yrs ago? Now people are finally catching up. I guess I'm like woody harrelson on 2012 :grin:
     
  4. van chief

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    Roslolian I like your analysis, your definitely putting some time into it, I just don't agree to some of your conclusions.

    I on the other hand don't want to put it the time for a proper rebuttal, as i just woke up.

    basically it sums up like this, we have several new faces on the team that all deserve playing time, the coach needs to balance this with getting younger guys like Hill and Paterson minutes. this will realistically only start happening once the team starts winning.

    also: we all like chuck hayes but he shouldn't be playing this much. hill needs more time on the floor. yao had a couple good blocks last night, and the refs all decided that they liked the sound of their whistles.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I talked about it in my comfort foods thread.

    DD
     
  6. jerrios

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    I found it amusing that people always forget the game I believe would have put the Kings up 3-1 when they were up until the 4th quarter, at which time the Lakers got 24 free throws and Kobe was just mauling Mike Bibby.
     
  7. thumbs

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    Well said, Roslolian, and I agree with it alhough I abridge your post to cut down on space. As proof, here is what I posted in the "Galveston" thread:

    10-29-2010, 04:57 PM #47

    The Rockets have been my team since they arrived from San Diego in the very same year I arrived in Houston. They have been very bad and good, last and first. I love rooting for them regardless -- kind of like loving a beautiful woman who snores and emits serious gas in the night.

    We've had our chances to draft great players -- we kept the Dream and we traded Rudy Gay. We gambled on Eddie Griffin and kept Ralph Sampson when we were offered Michael Jordan for him. We chose Rodney McCray when we could have drafted Clyde Drexler. Hindsight is always 20-20.

    However, in the past few years we have acquired solid, safe players who were good values but with no serious upside. Battier and Patterson are good examples. With those types of players we have assured ourselves of winning seasons, but mediocre seasons, never last but never first.
     
  8. KePoW

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    Why are you so against the alpha dog philosophy?

    You don't like the teams with Hakeem or Jordan or Kobe, etc??
     
  9. studogg

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    those ready to jump off adelman's bandwagon, go ahead.

    just don't forget that he tinkers to find the right combos and then lets the players work it out on the court. in the end, it makes for a much better team. he is willing to take his early lumps to have a better seasoned group that can handle adversity.

    as for the knock that morey goes straight by a money ball philosophy. pfft..
    show me the superstar he hasn't tried to get.

    he would have overpaid bosh. he tried to get amar'e. he's had chips on the table for anthony. he traded for martin (absolutely not a moneyball contract).

    stop letting a few losses create a total pessimistic view of the team and its management. there are challenges to work through; the reintegration of yao, getting brooks to remember that he earned time by playing defense, valuing possessions and eliminating turnovers. but it surely isn't the end of the world.
     
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  10. jae713

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    All this team needs is to play some better defense. Our problems are not on offense.
     
  11. Cannonball

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    The same amount as anybody we'd hire to replace him, but a lot more regular and post-season wins.
     
  12. Raven

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    Yes, we do need an alpha dog, and it's not Brooks, and it's not ever going to be Chase.
     
  13. Rocket River

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    About as many as the SAINTED JVG

    Rocket River
    and Rick has been to more. . .
     
  14. Rocket River

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    We have several. . . .
    I just think people don't recognize them.

    Sometimes folx think of an alpha dog as someone
    Screaming and being demonstrative.

    But the reality is. . .we have to simple USE the ones we have

    Alpha Dog Candidates - Scola - Yao - KM - AB [yes that AB]

    It is a position that can be rotated IMO for the situation
    5 seconds on the clock. . . .
    I trust Yao to make the right pass or shot
    Scola to force the action to the basket
    KM for the three
    AB - is still a bit of a work in progress but . . . he getting there

    It is only 3 games
    I don't panic until all star break

    Rocket River
     
  15. Don FakeFan

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    Last season, there were almost no " late game melt downs" until Landry was traded.

    We simply don't even have one player who can step up his game in 4th quarter except maybe Scola.

    We don't have depth because our starters are tired in the 4th.
     
  16. roslolian

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    Just because you're being the paid the max amount of dollars doesn't guarantee you're a legitimate max player, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay and Rashard Lewis among others are making max contracts but haven't exactly produced results at par with true max players. I think one reason DM like his $ball is it can sort out the overrated guys from the underrated. Cost itself is irrelevant, what's important is the player is undervalued at his salary/and or the assets we gave up to get it.

    This is why the roster ended up with a lot of same level talent, DM tried to get the most bang for buck in the situations available to him. Sure he's tried to use most of these assets to get Bosh, but at the same time he was on record saying he was extremely "comfortable" with this lineup. Honestly I am too, on paper this team looks legit.

    The problem is the coach can't use the roster to its fullest potential. Its not like the team is playing like garbage the whole time, each game we have players who get hot, and have actually led at the half at least one time. You look great before the half but suck afterwards? Its not the players, its the coaching.

    P.S. There is no reason to bench two promising rookies for JJ. None at all. Whoever heard of a team not giving two lottery picks any PT?
     
  17. roslolian

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    Alpha dogs aren't born, they are made. Brooks, Scola, Yao, Martin...all of these guys can be an alpha dog with the proper coaching. They certainly have the talent for it.
     
  18. coachbadlee

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    So you agree that the coaching is the problem.
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    Well if only Phil Jackson wasn't around to foil his plans.
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    ..or the refs.
     

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