[Dime] Who’s Better: Manu Ginobili or Tracy McGrady?

this is where the same argument people make for manu v. tracy.

i look at beyond that. what kind of defenses the player faces, what kind of responsibilities a player has, how many minutes he has to play on a consistent basis, and how much does his team depend on him.

 

Well, talent-wise. T-Mac wins by a long run. I don't care what you say, Tracy is one of the most talented players to play the game. When he's healthy and feeling good, he is pretty much unstoppable. Manu isn't at T-Mac's level, at least when he's healthy.

 

T-Mac was stuck with John Weisbrod and then Carroll Dawson. Ginobili was fortunate to play for the best front office management in the NBA for awhile.

 

Why are you talking about career numbers, when you know very well that Tracy isn't the same player he was even 2 or 3 years ago?

No, it's not. I don't care about all-star games or All-NBA selections or MVP votes. That's not what makes a great player.

Which comes back to my original point -- the argument for T-Mac is hypothetical. Let's ignore the reality of the situation, and assume that both players will be healthy all year. Fine, I'll take T-Mac too. Health is kind of an important thing to gloss over.

If he played 35-40 minutes a game, sure he could. Ginobili is fully capable of getting a triple-double. It's not that big of a deal. And if value them so highly, McGrady has gotten only 4 of them in his entire career.

Injuries have to be taken into account. "Career" individual accomplishments don't seem very relevant to me. The question of "who's better" is concerned with the present or near future. Not the last 10 years.

 

T-Mac has The Vein.




Ginobili has well... flop-mode.

McGrady is victorious.

 

Let's pose a more specific hypothetical:

Would you trade McGrady for Manu + an expiring contract that makes up the salary difference?

Although of course Tracy is a better player, that trade is a very close call.

 

pop has said the reason he doesn't want to play manu 30+ mins consistently:
1) manu's body can't handle it
2) after 2-3 games, he wont' be as effective

i don't know about you, but i trust pop when he says those things b/c he's been with manu his entire career

tracy right now is still better than manu. if tracy plays like he did since he comes back, he's still much better than manu and is still more a franchise player than manu is right now.

what tracy did last night: was the job of carmelo + billups + nene. i don't think manu has that ability.

 

close call to a HELL NO.

Ginobli in our system would get destroyed. Tmac in SA would dominate. Supporting casts would help tmac out alot, our's wouldn't do much for Manure.

 

LOOK AT THE STATS MAN!!!

John Salmons has an Offensive Rating of 109, that's higher than Mcgrady's. That takes into account all offense produced.

Again, he only makes 5 mil. THE STATS DON'T LIE. John Salmons is better than both of them.

 

Here’s the thing, though: T-Mac is significantly more talented than Manu, to

You know where my vote is going.....

 

Does Salmons produce wins? That never factors in to efficiency ratings like the one you posted.

 

a healthy Mac is better without doubt.

 

This is the worst thread ever. I immediately give you zero stars. Epic FAIL.

Tracy McGrady walks on water.

 

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING AT THE STATS

last year Tracy Mcgrady was 98th in wins produced with 2.6

John Salmons was 58th with 4.1

link

 

i always loved dime! haha

 

You made your point earlier. Now you're just being a jackass.

 

owned. You're living up to your nick I see...

 

Hmm......lets try a different approach....


Lets trade our All-Team -caliber point guard (Rafer Alston) for their All-Team point guard (Tony Parker).

They can keep Tim Duncan for all I care.

Enough said.

 

The PER argument and the more minutes argument are simply not valid for Ginobody. Not only has Popovich consistently said that, but the stats also prove it. When Ginobody gets more minutes, his PER goes down.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html

Look at the playoff vs regular season PERs. Ginobody gets 3-4 mpg more in the playoffs and his PER goes down noticeably. His best regular season PER year last year was also his worst playoff. He dropped from a 24 to a 17, whereas TMac jumped from an 18 to a 24.4 PER in the playoffs on more minutes and without Yao and a hurt PG.

It's just completely inaccurate to say Ginobody will remain as efficient on more minutes. The statistical evidence and Popovich say otherwise.

 

Are you sure you know what my point really is?