1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Dime]10 Softest players in the NBA

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hayesfan, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. caneks

    caneks Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,473
    Likes Received:
    226
    Wasn't that obvious? I love to have the issue solved before last season, now it looks we won't do anything before the end of this season. :eek:
    Cheers for all our fans.
     
  2. rv2843

    rv2843 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    499
    Likes Received:
    1
    Yao mentally might be tough, however, plays soft.
     
  3. weidong082004

    weidong082004 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    0
    SheMac is the softest player in NBA because she is the only one who soft in heart.
     
  4. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    that's dunk attempts. since 13% of Yao's dunks are rejected by the opponent and 12% are rejected by the rim,....Yao's game looks worse than his stat.
     
  5. Shaud

    Shaud Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2008
    Messages:
    18,350
    Likes Received:
    451
    I don't even think Yao is soft, but I also don't think KG and Sheed are soft.
     
  6. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    38,112
    Likes Received:
    29,558
    "Soft" is a hard word.
     
  7. pmac

    pmac Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    8,398
    Likes Received:
    3,260
    What the hell does this have to do with race?

    Kevin Garnet used to be alot tougher when he was younger, he's old now so he's trying to prolong his career by not taking so much contact.

    I think Yao is a little soft but he's also a great shooter. There are plenty of times where he does a layup and misses when he could have attempted a dunk and either somebody fouls him or it goes in. He takes fadeway jumpshots when he could get deeper and lean into a hookshot. Saying someone is soft doesn't mean their bad or inefficient. The thing is that guys like Yao, Tracy, and Dirk would be so much more efficient if they weren't soft. With their freethrow shooting Yao and Dirk could lead the league in scoring every season if they didn't shy away from contact.
     
  8. Jeff Who

    Jeff Who Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2008
    Messages:
    8,389
    Likes Received:
    41
    wow, that actually tells us a lot about yourself
     
  9. JimRaynor55

    JimRaynor55 Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2006
    Messages:
    625
    Likes Received:
    35
    I won't deny that Yao isn't the most mobile rebounder, but everyone in the league gets "uncontested" rebounds. To judge whether Yao benefits more from this than others, you would have to judge and count every rebound for every player. No such stat tracking exists that I am aware of.

    What I notice to is Yao willingly giving up rebounds to eager teammates (not like it matters to the outcome of the game), and Yao boxing out opponents so his team can get the ball. Without extreme in-depth analysis into how players including Yao get the ball, the only thing we have are the numbers that show Yao on average outrebounds the opposition.

    Those numbers come from 82games.com. 82games.com probably gets them from the game flows on NBA.com that tracks who scores and how (jumper, dunk).

    KG doesn't and hasn't dunked more than Yao. KG's game has always been the mid-range jumper, and some post-ups leading to fadeaway shots. He's not a physical inside player but a lanky, athletic, and exceptionally skilled player.

    Yao dunks more often than you seem to think. In the last few seasons he has shown up a few times among the NBA's leaders in dunks made. While dunks as a % of his FGAs very high (compared to Dwight or Shaq), Yao's dunk% also hasn't been as low as people make it out to be. Combine that with Yao's high ball usage and you get one of the league's more prolific dunkers.

    This seems to me like the Sportscenter Effect in action. The player who is flashier, louder, and more athletic (Garnett) is assumed to be a bigger dunker than Yao even when he isn't.
     
  10. splendidfish

    splendidfish Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    1
    Well - I didn't think too much about race until saw Yi on the list ... Honestly I haven't watched a single Nets game but judging a newbie like that seems arbitrary and capricious.
     
  11. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    [​IMG]

    Yao was much harder ......
     
  12. DaRock1

    DaRock1 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    0
    15% of his shots was dunks.

    This statistics stick up the ass of the r****ds who said Yao doesn't dunk as much because he's soft. Dunking the ball near the basketball with players of the other team around you still takes some lateral quickness. Yao obviously has health issue and has lost most of his limited lateral quickness (hopefully temporarily). The r****ds who thinks the reason that is Yao being soft obviously do not know.
     
  13. DaRock1

    DaRock1 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2007
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    0
    I stopped reading your post after you said "Shaq is slower than Yao". You obviously have limited mental ability to think.
     
  14. frm

    frm Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    32
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think that's the point everyone is arguing about. Stats from the past are useless. If the symptom turns out to be permanent. Then from now on, he is going to be on top of that list.
     
  15. ReD_1

    ReD_1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    3,055
    Likes Received:
    13
    Kevin soft?


    [​IMG]
     
  16. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    6,993
    Likes Received:
    145
    It's pretty well documented that I'm a pretty big critic of Yao, but the charge that he is soft is more due to perception and a bit unfair. Most of his troubles stem from the fact that he is incredibly slow and immobile. This has the effect of making him look incredibly awkward at times and more importantly magnifies his failures. When normal players have a bad game, they miss shots. When Yao has a bad game, he gets blocked by the rim and/or smaller players and clumsily falls down on himself, in effect making him look much worse than he really is, when the outcome and net production is still the same as another player's poor performance.

    It's a very unfair standard that Yao is held to. I feel bad for the guy and I've said for a few years now, he's far and away the most overrated player in the game primarily due to the fact that he is one of the greatest overachievers in the league and the unreasonable/unfair expectations thrust upon him after his initial production so greatly surpassed everyone's initial predictions.
     
  17. R0cketC1ty123

    R0cketC1ty123 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    299
    Likes Received:
    0
    wheres pau gasol..........oh sry pau gasoft
     
  18. daoshi

    daoshi Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2002
    Messages:
    3,021
    Likes Received:
    75
    That guy IS soft. At 7ft, he has the athleticism of a SG. What does he do? spend most of his time floating around the 3pt line, avoid any contact at all, shoot fade-away against much shorter players. He is definitely softer than Dirk.
     
  19. JVG>Adelman

    JVG>Adelman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2008
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    0
    Give me a break. He's a 2nd year player. How can anyone call Yi SOFT when he's just starting out.

    I think it's sad that there are biased, even racists people in the world. It's strange for me to see both Yao and Yi on that list.

    Yao is not soft, whatever you might hate about him. His own opponents call him a warrior, a beast. And HE IS.

    Yi is too young, at what, 20? to be judged soft or not.

    It's sad but there are many who are biased, even racist. This list is a joke.
     
  20. DOHCtah

    DOHCtah Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2008
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Right there.. the *** already clearly stated that he has a preconceived and biased opinion about Yao to begin with. Nice bit of objective reporting there eh? Sure.. sure..sure.. this is an OPINION column, but that's all that is.. and therefore holds no objective credibility. I could say "the best PG in the world is RAFER ALSTON" and that would hold just as much weight as "Yao is the softest". Why? Because they are both opinions

    Big props to JimRaynor55 for his good post breaking down how Yao actually outworked Nene on the boards stat-wize.
     

Share This Page