The Rockets weren't bad on "paper" but after injuries and such, they were bad on the court. Bryce Drew is a back-up NBA point guard, KT is a backup NBA PF, KC is a backup NBA C. Trading back-ups to a team desperate for starters in those positions doesn't cut it. I know you all hate me because I am realistic but get used to it because odds are I will be right. We will not trade up; we will not get Swift. Easy bet to make. ------------------
I have to disagree. I like the core of players we have on this team (unlike your beloved Grizz).Do you disagree that Swift would be a great addition to this team? Did Van have a great season? Should their numbers be skewed? The same gauge works for both teams. What about the last 30 games? Which team beat playoff bound team after team? Which team finished with a better record? Houston 34-48 Van 22-60 Shows that maybe Houston has the leg up, unless we are only talking about "on paper". No matter who is on MY team, I will root for them. The guys we have on this team are quality( although some show it more than others). Rudy knows what he is doing. We are just speculating and in some cases wishing for the impossible. We all understand that you feel that the chances of a trade are nil but must you pound it out on a keyboard in every post you make? You have every right to your opinion, but the manner in which you express it leaves much to be desired. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited May 31, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited May 31, 2000).]
I never said I didn't like the core of the players on this team and I never said I liked the Grizz. Just because I correct factual errors or bring in a breath of reality to an argument does not mean I am not loyal to the Rockets; it means I am not blind. Would Swift be a great addition to this club? YES! Will we land him? No. Of course the Grizzlies numbers are skewed but when I compared the Grizzlies core to another lottery team like Houston, the differences in numbers isn't great. I am not comparing the Grizzlies young core to a young core of a 50 win team here. I understand you wish to catch me being a hypocrite, but it won't happen; I am consistent. If you don't like hearing what actually will happen, stop reading the newspapers, these boards, and just buy the latest fad video game system and program in whatever line-up you desire to latest fad NBA video game. ------------------
Man- You are a hypocrite. Earlier, either on this thread or another one, you argued that the Grizzlies had a better core of young players than the Rockets. Then we brought up the fact that not only did the Rockets have a better record, but that they beat playoff bound teams consistently at the end of the year. Than I brought up the fact that a trade of this years players would be consistent with the trade the Rox did last summer. Yet you argued that the numbers were skewed. Fine, good enough. Point taken. Regardless, the numbers must be skewed for the grizzlies too. That being the case I cant possibly see how they have a better core than the Rockets. BEsides for that, you are not correcting FACTUAL errors. Rather, you are stating your OPINION on debateable issues. Number skewing or not, I still think the players we could offer this year, in addition to the number 9 pick is a better package than the one we used to get Francis. FACT is, our core of NBA "bench" players, who just so happened to start for us, did much better than Vancouver's starters. But that is another story. COmpare them to the CLippers and were talking about apples and oranges. That being said, KT, KC, and Drew as a package would be an improvement for the Clippers. I mean, I know sometimes people in here are optimistic. But you are sooo pessimistic I dont see why you even continue to write here. The point of this thread is to have fun, speculate a little and get excited. Nobody likes a party pooper. And you are just way too negative. I don't know if you think NBA GM's are stupid, but there not, and while the Clippers mgiht be able to get a slightly, and I stress slightly better deal for the number 3 spot, nobody is willing to give up proven talent or proven prospect to get a CHANCE at an unproven, uncertain franchise caliber player. Maybe a Swift deal goes down, maybe it doesnt. All I am saying is, for someone who is trying to argue factually, your logic is extremely opinion based. And it is my opinion that the Rockets bunch of NBA "benchers" plus the 9 pick merits the 3 ------------------ Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!
Hey Sky Pilot i dont understand your statement after injuries the rocks werent bad on paper but were on the court. In my opinion, youve got it backwards. The rockets did a great job in rebuilding on the fly as evidenced by their trouncing of playoff teams at the end of last season esp. the portland and utah games. Thus, they played better on the court than people actually expected. aLSO, KT is not a backup 4, he can start for a bunch of nba teams, he just needs to learn a little more about what it takes to be a star in the nba. I was very impressed by him this year. Also, i think kelvin cato will really work hard this offseason and if you think about it was just a rookie. He never saw time in Portland. Now, bryce drew will become a decent, solid player for another nba franchise so as i see it they're not scrubs but young, maturing future nba stars. Furthermore, the grizzlies young core doesnt even come close to the rockets as steve easily beats bibby, shandon/mobley beats dickerson, kt = their pf if it is their number two pick and cato is lightyears ahead of big hamburger reeves and cherokee i oughtta shave once and a while parks and mobes/wizard = shareef who wants out anyway. Also, i have full confidence thats the rocket organization will continue to improve our team(draft and free agency)while the grizz will always have a rough time attracting big name free agents. Therefore, in conclusion i have no doubt the rockets organization will get their man in the draft and free agency if they really want them(croshere and swift/miller/miles). So finally i believe the rockets have a much brighter future than the grizzlies and will be back in the playoffs next year as a 7 or 8 seed. ------------------
Sky Pilot, Man, how can you call 2 2nd year players and a rookie backups. How do you know? Drew does not fit the style we play anymore. He did when we drafted him and at the beginning of this year. Any team trying to use a Post oriented offense would love to have him. Kenny Thomas, well he started for us this year and, at a season ticket holder's meeting 2 months ago where he spoke, CD said that over half of the teams in the league called about him -- including contenders! Cato, well he is an athletic 7 footer and needs no further explanation. The Clippers are trying to get guys with long term contracts so that they may get some continuity so why would they not do this trade? You are not all-knowing - very far from it actually. ------------------
The Grizzlies do have a better young core to build around then the Rockets. The Rockets veterans and bench greatly helped win games but if you look at the young cores, Vancouver's is better. I did say that above. Comparing the '99-'00 Grizzlies to the '99-'00 Rockets isn't a strectch. Read all of my posts next time before you go off on a blind rant. Young core. Abdur-Rahim, Bibby, Dickerson, and the #2 vs. Mobley, Francis, Anderson, the #9. If the edge clearly to the Grizzlies. I don't include Harrington, KT, or Drew because I don't consider them legit NBA starters. If you were to start a team from scratch, I would take the Vancouver over the Houston core in a second as would any NBA GM. I did correct factual errors, when somebody said Vancouver was cold, I corrected that inaccuracy by stating that Vancouver is warming than over half of the NBA cities in January. I also corrected the true reason why Swift wasn't going to do workourts in other cities. But I guess he found the money to fly to Vancouver too. True. But my opinion is more realistic than most of the fantasies, er opinions you find here. I don't. And and I will be proven correct when we don't get as much or any value from the players in question. I disagree. KT, Drew, and Cato did not do as good as Bibby, Dickerson, or Abdur-Rahim. What a stupid statement. No it wouldn't. They can get more value for the #3 then that. The Clips need a PF, and guess what? One will be available at #3. You are thinking what is best for the Rockets not the Clippers. When optimising borders on stupidity, someone needs to even the table. ------------------
...Sky Pilot please name the veterans you are referring to, I would really like to know. ------------------
I already gave up. I join the flock. Drew for Mourning straight up. Miami may be ripping us off but we have a loaded back court already. Heck, we have the best backcourt in history right now. GO ROCKETS!! ------------------ Rockets: 82-0 in 2001. If you don't think so, you are a negative Grizzlies fan.
It's very simple, SkyPilot here repetivley states that Vancouver has a much better future core of players than the Rockets do; disagree with him and he throws out an entirely diffrent subject; the childish old stupid trade ****, that a few kids made, to fuel his arrogance. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROCKETBOOSTER (edited May 31, 2000).]
Man- I tried to be nice but when you start talking about stupidity you should watch what you write first. Even though I quoted you, just to let everyone know, it is your opinion that the Rockets veterans???? and bench??? led to the Rockets winning most of their games. Quick, somebody, go sign Matt Bullard and Pig Miller to long term deals. And while your at it sign Sky Pilot to a GM/coaching position. And I did read your earlier posts, I just felt like restating the facts--maybe you should try and comprehend what someone is trying to say, as in the context of the text before you go off on a silly rant. Next thing- YOu can not argue that the Grizzlies did better then the Rockets. YOu just cant, cause you will lose. The Rockets had a better winning percentage than the Grizzlies. I dont really care if DIckerson, Bibby, and Rahim did better than KT, KC, and Drew. You should either learn how to quote somebody correctly or just not do it. You see, you quote me as saying: FACT is, our core of NBA "bench" players, who just so happened to start for us, did much better than Vancouver's starters. Where do I even say the names KT, KC, or Drew in there. All I was saying was the Rockets did better than the Grizzlies. Man, youre the real deal. Dumb as rocks but funny nonetheless. ------------------ Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things! [This message has been edited by JayZ750 (edited May 31, 2000).] [This message has been edited by JayZ750 (edited May 31, 2000).]
Hey, this place used to be fun and can be fun again. Everyone go to your rooms! This is a place for jaw-jacking and speculating, isn't it? How can anyone get offended by Sky Pilot's assertion? If it bugs you that much, you need to get a life..... Doesn't BBS stand for Basketball Bull S**t? ------------------ There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.
JayZ750, I will keep this civil. PLEASE READ ALL OF MY POSTS YOU IGNORANT FOOL, BEFORE YOU MAKE STUPID COMMENTS! There I kept it civil. Continue with the discussion folks. ------------------ Rockets: 82-0 in 2001. If you don't think so, you are a negative Grizzlies fan.
Skypilot, this is getting old. I'm sure that you have not yet completed your court ordered therapy so I will reserve judgement of you till a later date. Until then check out www.clutchcity.com ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Tyson fight
Sorry but my angry rant is in response to another angry rant directed at me. I don't use personal insults unless they are used at me (like forest fire fighting; fight fire with fire). ------------------ Rockets: 82-0 in 2001. If you don't think so, you are a negative Grizzlies fan. [This message has been edited by Sky Pilot (edited June 01, 2000).]
