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Difference between Kubiak and Capers...

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by justtxyank, Dec 21, 2010.

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Would Capers be better or worse with this team than Kubiak?

  1. Ridiculous! Kubiak is better than Capers

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  2. Capers is probably just as good, if not better than Kubiak

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  3. I abstain, courteously

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  1. wreck

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    People think Shaub is better than he really is here is the pros and cons of shaub.

    pro:
    -accrurate
    -clutch
    -durable (last two years)
    -forget about bad plays easily and moves on
    -maintains composure for most part
    - he has the undertaker look
    cons:
    -slow
    -weak arm (underthrows andre at least once a game; on what otherwise would - be easy tds. If he had a better arm Andre would average at least 5 more TDs a year...at least!)
    -cant feel presure coming (25 percent of sacks on him result in a fumble)
    -weak arm (seriously brett farce is twice his age and can throw farther; probably even with a bum shoulder)

    I think his pros and cons cross each other out and that makes him average. I just really wish he had a stronger arm.

    Thats all I can think about for now.
     
  2. dbigfeet

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    Last year we had the worse rushing attack yet still passed for a boat load of passing yards without it. Most teams cannot pull that off. I am not saying that he is an offensive genius, but he has made a respectable squad to put up points. If the Texans are down 14-0, you have atleast some confidence that they can come back. You never, EVER had that confidence in the Capers/Carr error. As far as the 3-out stuff, i am with you. These guys have been too good at times to be so freaking inconsistant.
     
  3. BucMan55

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    I think you find the offense better in the no-huddle because Kubiak isn't the one calling the plays or sticking to some flawed script. Hell, even when the team isn't in the hurry-up offense it does better once it's off the script.


    Except when they call for a halfback pass.
     
  4. ima_drummer2k

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    That's because we were forced to pass exclusively because of the horrid running game.

    Most teams don't want to. Most teams would rather be more balanced on offense.

    With the talent we have on offense, I maintain that any somewhat competent OC could put up the same amount of points. I mean, is Matt Schaub really at his best when he's rolling out on a play-action bootleg?

    You mean like they are in pretty much every game? :)

    I wasn't a Capers fan (especially towards the end), but Bill Walsh himself would have had trouble coming back against anyone with David Carr as his QB.

    I'm not saying Kubiak is completely inept as an OC. I'm just saying he's not good enough to justify keeping him as head coach.
     
  5. dbigfeet

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    oh no, never said that. He got to go. I mean there needs to be a press conference at high noon on Jan 3rd.
    I just think that if he goes to another team as a OC that team will have a good offense in 1-3 years. If I was Cleveland, I would be calling him to work with Colt McCoy. He made ok guys like Schuab and Plummer into pro bowlers, imagine if he works with real QB talent. I just think he did a much better job with the O. that Capers did with the D..
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    Let's clear up a few things here:

    1) McNair and/or Casserly may have pushed for Carr but Capers told them Peppers wouldn't work in his defensive system, which made the pick a no-brainer. To this day, I'm still amazed an NFL coach of any ilk would look at Julius Peppers and think, "I have no use for that guy."

    2) Capers pushed for Jason Babin, that was all on him and Vic Fangio. Casserly even (reportedly) threw down some, "If he busts, it's all on you!" edict at Capers.

    As for the question posed, I think Kubiak has done a better job. If guys like Cowher really are interested in the job, that's a credit to the nucleus they'd be inheriting. Kubiak took over a team I used to compare to a college program that received the death penalty: There was one player worth keeping. Literally. One. And while a lot of that is on personnel, name a rookie Capers developed. Carr, Peek, Wand, Johnson... on and on.

    It looks like Kubiak has ultimately failed. But the discrepancy between him as a head coach and coordinator isn't near as wide as Capers. After his Texan stint, I didn't think he'd ever land another job in the NFL. That he's thriving as a DC in Green Bay is just staggering to me.
     
  7. desihooper

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    If he ever ran his version of the 3-4 instead of Fangio's version of the 3-4, our defense would've been much better than what we had to put up with for the first 4 years of Texans football. Fangio - who came from the Colts, right?!? - was given almost free reign to muck up the vaunted Capers 3-4 and ran it without disguising blitzes or mixing up packages. Capers had too much blind faith/confidence in "his guys" to interject. He left the coordinators to do their job while he was the head coach. If we made him the HC/DC from the get-go, the defense may have proved to be more effective. Consider this, lesson not learned by McNair as he let Capers' cronyism be replaced by Kubiak and his cronies. sigh....
     
  8. emjohn

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    Those first two pros are debatable. You even mention the weak arm and habit of underthrowing his man - that doesn't lend itself to accuracy. The INT he through off of Johnson's shin...folks here were trying to put that on Andre, claiming he should be used to those low balls by now. Accurate passers put the ball in the perfect spot - Matt gets bailed out all the time by his receivers making high-grade difficulty catches.

    As far as clutch goes, there's an entire thread. He churns out a lot of fantastic 2 minute comebacks...but he has a fair list of turnovers in the clutch washing them out. He's got plenty coming to his defense, but pick sixes that end the game aren't clutch.

    Schaub is a good QB, I'm happy we have him and aren't suffering through a never ending bad QB carousel like so many team out there (Buffalo, Cleveland, Arizona, Carolina, Washington, etc). But he's a guy where his receivers make him look good, not the other way around. I noticed immediately this season that he seemed off, and he's had a shaky year...confusing...but I'm fairly sure it's explained by Johnson's nagging injuries, Walters' season long disappearing act, and the absence of OD.
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    sage played well here until that whole colts game so I don't know if it was all matt.
     
  10. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Running the ball is highly overrated in todays nfl. The colts and cardinals had terrible running games. NE doesn't have a great running game. CJ's team was 0-6 on his way to a 2000 yard season. In general Kubiak knows how to coach the O.
     
  11. Smokey

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    I don't understand how Capers only got 4 years (the first year of an expansion team shouldn't count so really 3) but Kubiak is getting 6 years. Is Gary the son of Bob?
     
  12. Smokey

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    The 2010 Texans are the most talented team top to bottom in Texans history. Agree or disagree?
     
  13. Two Sandwiches

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    Agree, easily.
     
  14. edwardc

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    Agree but the coaching is just not good enough.
     
  15. emjohn

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    I don't think they're more talented than last year, especially once injuries are considered. Only Foster is a major jump up.
     
  16. vinsensual

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    The run game is just one phase that needs to flourish to provide a W. You can't say that NE lacks a good run game, Ellis has 12 TDs. CJ hit 2000, but their defense had deteriorated to league lows combined with Nate Washington as their #1 option. Many reasons they failed that a spectacular run game cannot compensate for. Just like how a "good" Texans offense has a hard time compensating for bad field position from defense and sp. teams.

    Besides the obvious first half deficiencies, it pains me how hard it seemed all year to get the ball to AJ this year. I've seen 2 or 3 Lions games, and Stanton/Hill get the ball to Calvin pretty easily, and they didn't do any of those crappy WR screens.
     
  17. gucci888

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    Tough one. Kubiak at least got one side of the ball fixed but I'm not sure any coach could be successful with the OL Capers was working with.
     
  18. rezdawg

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    You cant even begin to compare the level of talent Capers had to work with...and what Kubiak has right now.

    The Texans are a 5 win team today...I dont care how you want to slice it, this team has underachieved more than any other Texan team in history.

    Thats on Kubiak.

    +1 Capers.
     
  19. The Real Shady

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    One coached with their mouth open, the other one didn't.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    Someone called The Jaguar's Coach . . the Rich Man's Gary Kubiak
    being the king of Mediocrity

    Rocket River
     

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