Thats a conservative estimate, try 40% to 50% of your salary, plus various taxes on telephone, cable, cars, property, and fuel. I say no thanks. Plus, if you think there is a disparison between rich and poor in the states, you need to do some traveling to Europe. The middle class is about half of what it is here in the states. That is one reason a lot of Europeans come here to work, they know they can have a better life with more income than they would have in their own countries.
Hmm, Clinton is an adulterER, but Rape, if that was true, wouldn't he be in prison right now. I don't even remember him ever being accused of Rape. Now Bush was an alcoholic, he was a drug abuser, he was arrested, and he was an average student who should never have been accepted to Yale on his merits(hows this better than affirmitive action). So being a substance abuser isn't a problem for you, hate to see what kind of people you hang out with. At least I can say I am disappointed with Clinton, you act like Bush is a perfect little angel. They are far more alike than you want to believe, trust me. You can call Europeans lazy all you want, but if they choose to work less and be happy, that's their prerogative, more power to them.
Oski, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say Bush was a substance abuser, that was a lie told to smear him during the presidental race. Clinton was a substance abuser (Pot and Coke) and he admitted it (So much for your hero). So what if Bush was a alcoholic, hell I am even more impressed that he could get off the bottle and realize that he had a problem. That shows a man of dignity and honor, unlike Clinton who was caught lying and almost forced out of office. Jennifer Flowers has a case still pending in Arkansas for Statitory rape against Clinton. I will never understand how Democrats could defend such a man. Oh ya, and by the way Bush has a MBA from Harvard... I guess Harvard is a poor excuse of a school...
Let me tell you something. I'm as conservative economically as you will ever find. But I can see the value in the European system of work. God forbid we have a system which will allow families to spend time together. You mean kids will recognize daddy and couples will be able to work out their problems without incredible time pressure? Oh the horror of that!!! We can't have that...maybe the divorce rate would lessen and kids wouldn't be growing up so screwed in the head. I agree with you on a lot of things Phil...but this isn't among them.
Clinton admitted to smoking pot, Bush won't answer the question when asked about using cocaine except that he said "I've made mistakes in the past." When did anybody ever say that Clinton used Coke? Proove it. That's just made up bull crap. Yeah, it's good that Bush stopped drinking, but this video here was shot in 1992, after he had laid off the sauce. Check it out. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.shtml Just click on Bush's wacky wedding performance. Check out the glass he's holding there, I'm sure that's just water
I'd be curious to read any sources you have on Clinton's cocaine use. I know there are a lot of web sites out there from the far right wing about cocaine smuggling at the Mena Airport, Clinton fathering multiple illegitimate offspring as a result of cocaine induced orgies, Clinton having secret surgery to repair his cocaine-ravaged nasal passages, secrets in Clinton's medical file that point to illnesses associated with heavy and prolonged cocaine use, Clinton snorting coke in the Oval with Monica, and probably lots of other related material. What I'm looking for is just one legitimate mainstream press reference that shows Clinton admitting use of cocaine or a report from the same sources that even alleges cocaine use. Also Phi... "falacy" "disparison" "Statitory" ... are you really GWB?
Oh my god, are you even trying anymore? Look at Bush's daughters and his niece. Of course, I honestly don't believe that is reason to accuse Bush of anything, but according to your way of thinking, you would find something wrong with Bush because of that. Does this count as a Bushism. It's in reference to his past on the rumors of he and his father having cheated on their wives. at the 1988 Republican Convention, Hartford Courant associate editor David Fink struck up a conversation with George W. "When you're not talking politics," Fink asked the vice president's son, "what do you and [your father] talk about?" "p***y," George W. replied.
I thought the Dole was in Kansas... uh, or was that North Carolina. South Carolina? Hawaii?? You go to Europe at least 5 times a year? Really? Huh. We must go to different continents. Europe #1 and Europe #2. So, did you vote for Bush?
Are you sure it's not? If so...how? Were you there? I'm not going to cast aspersions regarding Bill Clinton's substance problems. Frankly I don't know whether he has any or not. Even if he did it's not the type of think I like to revel in. I would appreciate it if everybody else would do the same. Somehow I doubt I'll get my wish. Guess on about whether W. really stopped drinking.
You know, I don't think Democrats primarily have a problem with either of them having done drugs. It's the blatant hypocrisy of someone with a previous cocaine problem having the gall to want to make drug laws *tougher*, when he obviously didn't pay for his own mistakes in the traditional fashion. One law for the ordinary folks and one law for him, eh? (I'm for decriminalisation, for the record. Either of them doing drugs in their spare time doesn't really bother me at all.)
10% for 10% was the question (money given up for time off), not giving up 40%-50% of your salary for 40-50% extra family/leisure time. BTW I have traveled to Europe, have professional friends there, and I don't know where you get the idea the middle class is half what it is here. I agree upper middle class professionals don't make as much in Switzerland, Germany or England--but with some exceptions we are talking closer to a factor of 10% or 20% than 50%--especially when you consider health (with a time bomb of escalating out of pocket fees and premiums that have barely started to be felt), other social benefits, and free higher education for those that qualify (no need to save for college to the degree parents do here). Also I would say working class, lower-middle class, and many in the middle class are comparatively better off in those countries than in the US because of the benefits described above. Further, the disparity in our country between say the rich and upper middle class to those less well off are getting more and more divergent in America, the American middle class has been shrinking. But again, even if it is only theoretical to you, would you give up 10% of your salary for 10% extra family/leisure time if you have the choice? Say by having the national work policies and work culture roughly flat in between what they are here and what they are in Switzerland.
Hard and illegal drugs do bug me. I wouldn't mind if George Still drank, as long as he isn't a drunkard. I just let that dude bug so much I had to bust out the ole' smoking gun website.
Desert Scar, Switzerland or Sweden is a bad comparison when trying to compare living standards to the U.S. Look at the demographics of those countries and you will realize that the population differences don't allow for a good comparison. Now when you make comparisons with Spain, Italy, Slovania, Hungary, Germany, France, England, Czech Republic, and Poland you see a huge dispersion between the Upper Middle Class and the Lower Middle Class. Sure Finland, Sweden, Belgium, and Switzerland have great socialized systems for there population density (Less than 30 million people), but you look at countries that have larger population densities the demographics fade. I'm sure that you being a utopian and wishing that the government in all its wisdom could take care of all the ills of mankind is the best thing since sliced bread. And about giving 10% of my salary for 10% more time, well that would be great in theory but would you really want to give up say $8000 for 2 or 3 more days off? I will take the $8000 and use 3 sick days. Oski, smoking gun is full of ****, just like you... Clinton was the worst president this country has ever seen and his legacy will show that! Roger Clinton has been busted a number of times for coke, he was pardon by Bill as well as some of his coke dealer friends.
Wow. Such a detailed knowledge of history AND the future. Dear oracle, please tell me -- I must know! Will G.W. Bush's presidency be the BEST ever? Or will he finish a close second to that deity, Ronald Reagan? Please let us know! Do not keep us in miserable suspense! Also, please tell me when it is safe to buy Intel again. Also, please tell me if and when I will be arrested for making John Ashcroft jokes. Also, please tell me about the future of Earth's atmosphere. So many questions!
Oh, and long live 'laziness', is all I can say. NZ only has 15 guaranteed vacation days but they're thinking of raising it to twenty. Yes!
B-Bob, I am not saying that Bush will be the best president ever, he has just been in for 2 years. As far as good as Reagan, well I can only hope he can be that good. Hell, anything could be better than Clinton. Oh ya, and by the way I would be more worried about a democrat invoking the thought police than a republican.
Damn, where do you get your ideas from, political ads? You can say I'm full of **** all you want, I've just given my opinion, one which much of the country seemed to agree with since Clinton's approval ratings didn't exactly drop during the impeachment proceedings(They went up by the way, incase your conservative handbook where you get your arguments from doesn't mention that). There have been far worse Presidents, but if having an affair is how you measure the job they did, then I suppose you think FDR was horrible since he had a mistress. Thomas Jefferson, forget all the good he did, he slept with his slaves. Kennedy, thank god he was assisinated right, who needed a prez who was sleeping around with Marilyn Monroe. Ask yourself this though, you won't give Clinton any Credit for the economy or the balanced budget(How did Regaen balance a budget in a future decade?), but you would give him the blame if all the current problems were happening during his term? Yeah, of course you would. I disagree with people's politics often, but even someone like Trade_Jorge, who will not accept defeat in any argument, always backs his stuff up with facts. You are pretty content with just being a Ditto-Head, repeating what others tell you and not having any original thoughts.
I wonder why I didn't get my copy. I actually am impressed by that feat. Seriously, had I been alive back then I would have voted for JFK. He didn't. But don't bruise Clinton when you are patting his back. He didn't do it as much as the Republican Congress did. Can you include me in that club please?
