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Did you hear what Mobley said about Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by alex_huynh, Mar 5, 2003.

  1. gotoloveit2

    gotoloveit2 Member

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    Another point. If Yao starts forcing up shots. His fg will drop. He'll be more worn out, more turnovers. Everybody will say he is not ready to be our main offense. And our backcourts will stop passing to him, and MORE ISO.
     
  2. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I didn't say to shoot every time he is single coverered. Big guys like Ostertag, Sabonis, Shaq, and Bradley are going to cause him problems. But when someone who is basically a power forward is on him, that is called a mismatch. The two goals of running an offense are to get open looks and to get mismatches. If Yao refuses to take advantage of a mismatch, not by hitting a cutter but just by passing back out to a covered wing player, then he is defeating the purpose of giving him the ball in the first place. Also, I do hope Cat and Steve attack single coverage. If you don't attack single coverage you won't draw double teams. If you watched the Toronto game, then you saw Mo make a few hooks against single coverage and then they started doubling him. Now Mo isn't half the passer that Yao is, so you can see what would happen if Yao atacked single coverage (especially against undersized players), he would pick the other team apart. The key is to make them pay for single coverage first though.
     
  3. AggNRox

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    The picture showed in this thread clearly indicated he passed to the cutter not just passing back out to a covered wing player. So the scenario you mentioned may not be true. Your conclusion is that you should go in any case if you have single coverage and have an advantage over the defender. I disagree it. In some cases, you should go but not all cases. We all know Yao does not always pass when he is single covered. Most time he shoots when he has a right chance. Blaming on Yao passing too much is rediculous. The beauty of 80's NBA was not one on one battle. It was diversity. Well, last several years we saw different thing, a disapointed thing, one on one. "I beat you. I am the hero", Shaq's style. He is a great center, may be the best center all time. I am not going to argue about that. What I am going to say is he also brings us a boring ball game. So, wake up. we need a fresh air, not just one on one ball game. I am still enjoying the Magic's pass whenever I have the opportunaties.
     
  4. DRose

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    I totally agree with the Cat. In the last 5 games we are 1-4. All we've done is give it to Yao. Francis hasn't gotten enough shots. The reason he has shot a terrible percentage in those games is cuase we didn't get him into a rythmn. We go to Yao like every play, which is too much.
     
  5. Yetti

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    StupidMonicer:- Where have you been? Its obvious, to even the non informed, that Mobley is the worst black hole on the Rockets.
     
  6. RCKTBachar

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    Too much is made of the Rockets offensive Woes anyway.

    Fact: The Rockets are dead last in the league in forcing turnovers, and dead last in fouls called against.

    To me this translates into a team that strictly is not playing hard on the defensive end, very passive.

    The Rockets are not an offensive Juggernaut that is for sure, but on the defensive end we would be better served placing 5 cones out there.
     
  7. HoRockets

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    I have to disagree somewhat but not entirely:

    Rockets on offense:
    #21 in points scored per game
    #18 in FG%
    #21 in 3pt %
    #14 in FT%
    #28 in assists
    #11 in TO

    Rockets on defense:
    #3 in total rebounds
    #4 in allowing opponent rebounds
    #5 in blocks
    #26 in steals
    #1 in causing Opponent turnovers

    Their offense is way more pathetic than their defense is this year.
     
  8. carayip

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    You can get open by using picks and moving without the ball. Not just by double team.
     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I have been watching the games. No way is Mobley a black hole. I would say the biggest black hole on the Rox is Nachbar, then Griffin. I think the only people who pass more than Mobes are Yao, Moochie, and MAYBE Steve. The offense seems to flow better with Cat bringing it up.
     
  10. carayip

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    Mobley passes when the play is designed for him to pass. But if the play is designed for him to shoot, he wouldn't pass to the 2nd option even when he's well covered and somebody is open.
     
  11. RIET

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    Uh. That's because Posey and EG rarely touch the ball in meaningful situations unless theyre wide open. Then theyre forced to throw up their bricks.

    Being 3rd behind the PG and Center doesn't make him a willing passer, especially considering how often he touches the ball compared to the other players.

    Also, it's not just the willingness to pass. He is a very mediocre passer. He rarely makes a great pass to setup a score unless it's the alleyoop. Cat has neither the touch nor vision to make great passes.
     
  12. WinkFan

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    #29, actually.
     
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    I believe Mobley is partially right.

    I am a big fan of Yao since he came to Houston but I am really tired of the way the press criticize the Rockets for nto giving Yao the ball all the time. On Sportscenter even when the ROckets win they still run a video of a play when Yao is wide open or cutting but he didn't get the ball. It is really unfair to the Rockets. Mobley I guess was just really tired of that also. Yao still needs a few years to develop and IMO he is getting a lot of play called for him lately. Right now the key of the Rockets is not Yao, but Steve. When Steve is having a bad day it's hard to win. when he's on his game it's hard to beat the Rockets. Mobley recently has been playing well also, and he's still a big part of the offence. I respect the man's game.
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I agree with this, but I don't think there is an accompanying unwillingness to pass. Sometimes he will decide that he is going to score and might overlook teammates, but the majority of the time I would say he is willing to pass.
     
  15. WinkFan

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    In the second half vs. Toronto. He hit Yao for a layup on a pick and roll.
     
  16. gotoloveit2

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    Gee, is that all you can find? You have changed my mind. Cat is a great passer to Yao.:rolleyes:
     
  17. Apollo Creed

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    You asked for the last time he passed to Yao. And he gave you exactly that. So take your rolling eyes somewhere else.
     
  18. gotoloveit2

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    Some people are so shallow. They thought they could read but yet they dont see. If you couldnt understand my point, then please make your stupid comment someplace else and my :rolleyes: here to stay. Let me put it to you bluntly. Cat RARELY passes to Yao on PnR. Just that you could find one or two times he did during the whole damn season so far doesnt disprove my point. Understand?
     
  19. aries323

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    NO GOOD??? Ask the Lakers or the Bulls of MJ's era or the Rockets of Hakeems era if it worked out for them to have selfish super-stars and unselfish "role" players. IMO it worked out for them. 76ers... AI plays selfish, while role players play unselfish. They've won 11 out of the last 12.
     
  20. ragingFire

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    Hey Stupid,
    1) Nachbar can not get off the pine, how is he a black hole?
    2) As much as I hate Griffin's line drive shots, he took the shots the offense was drawn up for. He was opened 90% of the time on those J. Blame Rudy for not drawing plays to put Griffin where he is better suited.
    3) The only people who pass more than Mobes are Yao, Moochie, and MAYBE Steve?
    The others touch the ball but a few times a game.
    4) The offense seems to flow better with Cat bringing it up?
    How is that so? Did u see that in one of your dream?
     

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