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Did we jump the gun with Cecil Cooper?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Drewdog, Oct 11, 2007.

  1. Drewdog

    Drewdog Contributing Member

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    just a few names to float around:

    Joe Torre
    Tony LaRussa

    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... :confused:

    There wasnt even a search - they just gave him the job. I don't get it.
     
  2. texanskan

    texanskan Contributing Member

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    No because Drayton will not spend for a high dollar manager, it's ok things worked out well with Dierker and I am thinking it will work out well with Cooper
     
  3. emjohn

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    I'd be shocked if either one were to seriously consider coming here.

    Evan
     
  4. Master Baiter

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    I think they jumped the gun on both GM and Manager. There are some quality names out there for both positions and I think Houston would be somewhere that big names would like to go. We have a history of winning and getting talent and pretty much anyone that comes to Houston loves it. Less pressure, good fans, good weather, no state income tax.....
     
  5. leroy

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    Cooper has been up for many managerial jobs over the past few years. It's not like he wasn't ready. I don't think they messed up at all.


    Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change opinion on this post at any time.

    I think they rushed the GM position, though. There was no big hurry between the time they canned Purpura and the end of the season to get this done. I'm not sure why they felt pressured to get someone in ASAP. I'm willing to give Wade the benefit of the doubt for now, but I would have much preferred to see Walt Jocketty in here.
     
  6. justtxyank

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    Throw in Trey Hillman. The Astros definitely jumped the gun. Not that Cecil Cooper might not have ended up being the best man for the job, but to not even interview other candidates...
     
  7. Cannonball

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    I have no problem with them hiring Coop but wish they would have at least done a coaching search first.

    The football team at my alma mater lost it's head coach and they didn't do a coaching search and just promoted an assistant with no HC experience. They were an FCS Pre-season Top 25 team and now they're 1-4 and look like total crap.

    It may be comparing apples and oranges but it seems sloppy to not even consider all the options.
     
  8. Nero

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    Don't you guys know that all that really matters is that Drayton has now proved that he truly is a *Man Who Is Sensitive To Diversity*. Nothing else matters now, and now no one is allowed to point out the 'composition' of his teams anymore.
     
  9. msn

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    Drayton hasn't had something to prove ever, but even if folks thought he did they'd need to check who hired the first African-American GM in the history of MLB.
     
  10. No Worries

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    Astros will spend the next 2-3 years rebuilding and won't need a top flight coach during the rebuild.
     
  11. JaWindex

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    Reloading. The buzz word is reloading. ;)
     
  12. Drewdog

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    It just seems almost lazy to me....

    Why not just give Cecil the job in the first place? I mean usually when you hire an "interim" manager, that means you have other people in mind for the job..... Which the Astros obviously did not. I mean they did that with the GM thing (even though that seemed rush too)... At least wait till the end of the season, evaluate, interview several candidates, then make the decision.

    It seems knee-jerk and almost a little fishy..... My theory is that they hired an African-American manager to be "interim". Since there has been some recent speculation in the air about a racial bias in the organization, perhaps they thought they would look bad by interviewing other white candidates, and ultimately giving a white candidate the job - shunning the African-American who held the job for a few months. I dont know... just thinking out loud here.

    thoughts?
     
  13. msn

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    I'd be stunned if the Astros were even aware of, much less motivated by, a few people on an Internet bulletin board who thought such stupid tihngs.
     
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    Copper is not a difference maker to me either way. He seems much more hands off than Garner.

    Get the players and I don't think he will screw it up.
     
  15. Drewdog

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    C'mon its not that far fetched..... ;)
     
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    Haha Dayton actually spending money and that to on a coach... yea not going to happen.
     
  17. The Cat

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    Yeah, it's not like he's had one of the higher payrolls in the league the last few years or anything. :rolleyes:
     
  18. studogg

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    Yeah it's not like his revenues didn't justify his payroll or anything :rolleyes:

    to answer the original question, yes we jumped the gun. If! and I mean a big ass ol' if!, we are still trying to win now.

    However, there is no guarantee that any of the premier coaches would have come here and we are a few players (namely a number 2 and possibly number 3 pitcher) away from being a contender again. So in the name of baseball, if you believe that Cooper needed a shot and can concurrently develop talent and coach veterans, then he is the right man.

    As far as the payroll and Drayton either being or not being a cheap ass:

    He is a business man. He spends what he needs to, to generate a buzz and have a good team. He will not bend to the will of an agent or the public. I respect that and think he's the best owner that the astros have ever had. Just being free spending doesn't make you a great owner. My only complaint is that I wish he were a little more hands off and hadn't run Hunsicker out of town.
     
  19. ryan17wagner

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    We're not re-building. That's what Tamp Bay does.
     
  20. weslinder

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    Uncle Drayton doesn't like white managers.
     

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