Did we get less for james harden than we gave up for Westbrook?

All of the picks we gave up for harden are protected 1-4. All the picks we got from the Nets are not. The only caveat being SGA but we also got more draft capital from CLE and from trading (soon) Dipo.

This after an ugly breakup with a star that ruined his own value in Harden.

 

And if the Nets implode just like the Rockets did. The only reason the OKC picks are worth a lot is because the Rockets imploded (the Westbrick deal was still bad tho), so we just have to hope the Nets implode by then. Those picks have no protection so that would be great.

 

Aren't you someone who didn't value Harden much anyway? So what's the problem?

Well, I guess reality is problem.

 

Sam Presti at the end of the way won and beat Daryl Morey.

We all laughed at him for how he gave away Harden to us. But it took him a few years but he finally got his payback, in a big way, with the Westbrook deal.

Presti got the last laugh.

 

He beat Tillman*

 

Except nobody but a contender is going to want him and no contender has a top 4 pick (with the exception of Golden State, if you want to call them a contender, who have the Minnesota pick).

 

Right. But as OKC is finding out, getting FRPs from a team that should be in the playoffs for years to come will sometimes work in your favor. It's easy to say the Nets will be good for the next 3-4 years, but two years ago I would have bet money that the Rockets would be in the playoffs for the next 3-4 years, too.

You never know what's going to happen, especially on a 3-superstar team. Say they get bumped in the second round this year (not likely, but not too far-fetched), then get off to a slow start next year. What happens? Does the owner get jittery and make another big move, only to have it backfire (see: Westbrook, Russell)?

We just have to wait and see how it all plays out, while simultaneously shaking our fists at Tilman for forcing the dumb trade that started the rapid decline.

 

The Rockets needed to trade away a generational MVP because the owner botched everything. He alienated Morey after the Hong Kong incident. It almost seemed he wanted Morey to apologize to the CCP. Tilman may not have realized that Harden trusted Morey a lot more, than he had allegiance to the Rockets. By the time Tilman figured it out, Morey was out the door and Harden was making his departure facilitated by his antics. I think that was the reason the Rockets didn’t counter Philadelphia’s offer and sent Harden to the Nets.

 

Yes he did. Yes I do. The buffoon even went out and said it on TV. In what framing world would Morey ever want to give up CP3 AND 4 picks for Westbrook. Nook has been over this multiple times. Morey did not make this move the owner and bone headed son as well as Harden made this move.

 

And Presti traded Harden cause their owner didn’t want to pay him. Didn’t stop a bunch of people from blaming the Harden trade on Presti.

 

Lol he sold Harden(a 6moy) for a really trash deal. He didnt know what he had, Morey did.

 

Bill Simmons goes over this quite a bit but if you look at what they offered Harden and what the max for him at the time was, the difference was tiny. Add to that the cap was going to spike in a few years so it would've been an almost negligible difference. Also, they could've easily amnestied Perkins whenever they wanted to make room. Some believe that Presti or whomever in OKC actually liked the trade. They thought KMart could provide most of what Harden did off the bench and then they get Lamb and a pick for free.

 

Why didn't Morey just quit right then? Tilman didn't say he forced the trade, he said they got hesitant and he pushed it through. That still means Morey was the one negotiating that whole time and came up with the worst trade in nba history, hesitant or cold feet also doesn't mean Morey said no. Tilman has some blame, but equally or moreso the blame is on Harden who is on record as calling Morey for daily updates of the trade and asking him why it hasn't gone through yet. At the end of the day Morey will never live this trade down, maybe in the end he wasn't the one to sign off on it, news flash owners have to sign off on all major deals, but Morey was the moron who negotiated this deal to begin with. Got lucky on the Harden trade, one hit wonder, and gave it all back in the end. Morey is a fraud.

 

Harden and Tillman wanted WB but its Morey who gave up two picks and 2 swaps for him. I dont see how Tillman gets 100% of the blame while Morey who negotiated the deal gets none lol. You can say Tillman and Harden messed up for wanting WB over Cp3 but they didnt tell Morey to give up so many assets in the trade.

Presti got Oubre and Suns pick for Cp3 so you need to ask Morey why he couldnt negotiate a better deal for the same player. Thats not on Harden, not on Fertita thats on Morey. Remember he also the dude who said James Pennis gonna be the replacement of Ariza and told Ariza to his face they didnt need him before the dude could say he was willing to take a discount just to stay.

 

Morey isnt a fraud he is a good gm.

Unfortunately to win a ring you need to be great and not just a good gm. He def made his share of mistakes and I dont like how just because he is on a diff team now people act like he is the GM equivalent of Jordan now.

 

Ryan Anderson. Carmelo Anthony. Eric Gordon extension. Jeremy Lin. Dwight Howard. Terence Jones. Corey Brewer. James Ennis.

Drafting Marcus Morris over Kawhi.
Drafting Royce White over anyone.

I'm sure I'm missing some here. He had one home one trade for Harden and could never replicate anything close again. He failed to bring enough talent around Harden which eventually forced Harden to want out. If the perception of Morey was some average gm that got lucky then so be it. But as some genius gm that's Gods gift to basketball? Dude couldn't even bring in some decent 3 point shooters after he decided to only shoot 3s. Absolute fraud.

 

Injuries. Black Swan events. Nobody would have thought that the entire Rockets team would be gutted one year after trading for RWB. We were a lock for the playoffs over an 8 year span.

The benefit of hindsight

 

Morey may not be Jordan but at least Jordan had the sense to take Lamelo meanwhile another former Rocket fraud Gersson Rosas takes Edwards over him and drafted a bust in Jarrett Culver last year. It's clear that Morey promoted a culture of fraudulence.

 

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You can't be serious. But you've got a point I suppose. We got bamboozled. Must of been karma from Harden trade. The harden swap of picks plus swaps was just that. Superstars & their agents get their way. Anyway I'm here for the gif


I thought it was apparently known owner forced Morey's hand to flip an apparently decrepit CP3 for Russell. The Wall trade proved he was not a juicy steak.
Edit. We should go kept Montrezl in the CP3 trade. Second move with OKC almost seemed sane yet the protected firsts obviously were a gamble. Who would of thought we were torched with gasoline and a match. I'm still shell shocked. Stop picking the scabs. Heal