If Yao went to Oralndo, I can see the posts on their bulletin board. YaoFan - Dumb selfish McGrady. Who care that he leads the league in scoring, he should run the offense through Yao. That is smart beautiful basket ball. We will never win as long as T-Mac is here.
I don't care about Steve getting shots, I care that the Rockets win. And since they are pretty neck and neck in a ROY race, you can argue that Amare plus another lottery pick just might equal more than just Yao. Trust me, if Yao were consistently shredding teams and scoring consistently in the paint, I would be the main one saying GET YAO THE DAMNED BALL! Yeah, he's a sweet guy and always polite and loves his mother and never says a discouraging word. All that's great if he's dating my sister. But for my basketball team, I could care less if he's the biggest A-hole in the league as long as he's bringing it every night. If I want to see nice guys play, I'll go watch my church league. For the NBA, I want to see guys bring it! And the only reason why I don't bring up Steve's faults is because their's a million and one threads on the fact that he turns the ball over too much and makes dumb decisions sometimes. He absolutely does. But if Yao Ming played with 1/3 of the passion and determination and fire that SF does, he would be a beast.
Now I understand Rockets' fans are a little fragile. The team has improved 12 wins and is still alive, if Rudy's health didn't go bad, I think we should have been in Suns' position today. This year Houston is not so lucky. But God is fair to Phoenix, they were the 9th in Western Conference last season, should they fail again this year? No suffering, no success, it's not Yao's fault, he has done much. I am also an Magic fan, glad to see Yao to Orlando, that will be a great team.
That is a possibility. However, McGrady likes to get other players involved. I know he is willing to give up his scoring title, MVP, etc... for a championship. I've been watching McGrady for several years now. If he was really selfish he could have been scoring 30 some points for the last few years. He could have done it easily. The only reason he started to jack up more shots was because Orlando hasn't improved over the last few years. If you saw McGrady at the beginning of the season he was always passing the ball to Grant Hill. McGrady is not a greedy statistical player. He cares more about winning then he does about selfish things such as how many shots he takes. Listen, "Team ball" is a concept that has to trickle down from your coaches, to your best player, to the last guy on the bench. Orlando has that concept down. If Yao Ming was on Orlando he would have more easy scoring opportunities. Expecially off the transition and dribble penitration kick out from McGrady. The difference is McGrady would go out of his way to make Ming fit into the system cause he knows that Ming could be the difference between a championship and another first round exit from the playoffs.
You don't understand. The ball must be in Yao Mings hands. The offense must start with him and let him pass out to McGrady. To have McGrady dribbling around is dumb basketball. You must give the ball to Yao Ming and let him score or pass. Only then will Orlando play beautiful basketball and win multiple championships.
McGrady is head and shoulder better than SF. A true super star. Yao will win many more games with him than with SF and Cat.
Okay, your post is saturated with sarcasm. But the truth is...as the poster above me said it best, Tracy McGrady is a “Legit super star”. I’m not sure if Francis is. McGrady/ Yao Ming would easily equal more games won. Face it...unless there are some major adjustments made during the off season the Rockets are only going to be hurting themselves as well as the development of Yao Ming. I smell a trade of either Francis or Mobley if things don’t start shaping up next year.
Absolutely T-Mac is a better player the SF. No one doubts that. T-Mac is one of the top 5 players in the league. What my post was basically pointing out is that you think of Yao Ming coming to help T-Mac win a championship. But Yao fan believes Yao will go to Orlando and immediately become the number ooption on offense. Yao fan will not tolerate T-Mac or anyone else that doesn't just give the ball to Yao and wait for a possible pass back. And I doubt very seriously that T-Mac would settle for just being a number two option. That's pretty much why he left Toronto remember? SF has a lot of faults. Absolutely he does. I just think it's ironic that if you ask any GM around the league to evaluate the Rox he will count SF as one of the pluses for the organization while so many here feel he's the number one thing WRONG with the team. It's frustrating because people just assume that Yao will take a jump from a soft, sometimes timid player that tires easily into this unstoppable force that can drag any other four players that will throw him the ball to multiple championships. Well, the proof will be in the pudding and we will see. I will however say that all the "Yao is only a rookie so he is not to blame officially ends this week so I don't EVEN want to hear it next year when the team is not doing well. Yao will have to take his fair share of blame then."
Thank you. PLUS Yao is a rookie, A ROOKIE, if they continue to play together in the future, they'll build a more than competitive team. STuart
also... just be patient. Its been frustrating to watch the rox, especially down this recent stretch... as Phislamma said.. it will build their charaters and as NBA players say, they'll get more "hungry" Stuart
That is a pretty bad generalization of Yao's fans. As one of Yao's fan, I am pretty offended by it. Can I say,(like you) that Yao's hater will always try to put down Yao's fans?
Yao will get his share of the blame next year when he is no longer a rookie. However, the fact is, HE IS STILL A ROOKIE and this year season IS NOT OVER, yet!
I don't think any fan regardless if they are Yao ONLY FAN would suggest Yao should become first option with McGrady. McGrady without a doubt should be option number 1. Anyone who thinks different is missing a chromosome and needs to desperately seek help. What I'm suggesting is that McGrady would make Yao into an even more of a phenomenon then he already is. Great players have that ability to make those around them better. I just think he is one pine tree short of a Forrest, when it comes to playing team basketball Francis is super man when it comes to hops and over all athletic ability but his brain is the size of a peanut. Playing one on one doesn't take much cognitive ability. I don't think he is selfish and I'm sure he is a nice guy. I don't blame him. I blame the system. Someone should have taught Francis how to pass and develop court vision. Francis was able to hide his weaknesses until now cause he was such a great one on one player. Now people expect him to play team ball...he needs to go B2B (back to basics). Mobley is a different story. Is this guy selfish or what?
On the notion that Steve doesn't pass. Did you know he has been 11th or 12th in the league in assists all year? And this is on a team that is next to last in assists. Given that there are 30 teams in the league that makes Steve and average to slightly above average assist guy. Even if you consider that every one in the top 30 in assists is a PG, thene Steve is averaging more assists than half of the PG's in the league! But if you let people here tell it, it seems like he is last in the league. And actually, he is averaging more assists than T-Mac so I'm not sure how many more opportunities Yao would be getting by playing with him. People on this board take a very simplistic view of basketball. They think if the ball isn't moving it's the PG's fault so he must be a bum. But the PG doesn't call the plays, the Coaches do. Not to mention that the next highest average on the team in assists is Mobely at 2.8. The rest of the Rockets need to start moving the ball around. And the coaching staff needs to run a better offense. And Steve needs to make better decisions. He turns the ball over way too much. But I think people here get frustrated because when things start going badly for the team, he sometimes tries to do too much, but, I admire the guy for his hear and his passion. This last game against Utah, my cousin in I kept saying the entire second half, why is our PG having to try to rebound 1 on 3 against the Jazz's whole front line. Where the hell are our big people? The guy just doesn't quit and he busts his ass and gives you everything he has on the floor. He leaves it on the floor every night and I think that's all you can ask of a player. For everything Yao has accopmplished this season, and it has been a lot, I can't tell you that Yao busted his ass every single play this season. Or that he went hard after every single rebound. And I think that is my main frustration with him. He like to do all the pretty stuuf like the reverse layups and flip passes, but doesn't consistently get in there and take over the boards and become a physical presence on the inside like you need your center to do. Whew, I feel better now. That was alomost like therapy...
2002-03 Regular Season Assists Per Game Player G AST APG 1. Jason Kidd ( New Jersey Nets) 76 677 8.9 2. Gary Payton ( Milwaukee Bucks) 77 639 8.3 3. Jason Williams ( Memphis Grizzlies) 72 590 8.2 3. Stephon Marbury ( Phoenix Suns) 77 629 8.2 5. John Stockton ( Utah Jazz) 79 608 7.7 6. Jamaal Tinsley ( Indiana Pacers) 69 517 7.5 7. Jason Terry ( Atlanta Hawks) 77 567 7.4 8. Steve Nash ( Dallas Mavericks) 78 564 7.2 9. Eric Snow ( Philadelphia 76ers) 78 527 6.8 10. Andre Miller ( Los Angeles Clippers) 76 510 6.7 11. Gilbert Arenas ( Golden State Warriors) 78 480 6.2 12. Steve Francis ( Houston Rockets) 78 477 6.1 13. Kevin Garnett ( Minnesota Timberwolves) 79 472 6.0 14. Kobe Bryant ( Los Angeles Lakers) 79 466 5.9 15. Sam Cassell ( Milwaukee Bucks) 76 439 5.8 16. Troy Hudson ( Minnesota Timberwolves) 76 429 5.6 16. Jamal Mashburn ( New Orleans Hornets) 78 435 5.6 18. Tracy McGrady ( Orlando Magic) 72 396 5.5 19. Ricky Davis ( Cleveland Cavaliers) 76 411 5.4 19. Allen Iverson ( Philadelphia 76ers) 78 421 5.4 21. Howard Eisley ( New York Knicks) 78 417 5.3 21. Alvin Williams ( Toronto Raptors) 77 411 5.3 21. Tony Parker ( San Antonio Spurs) 78 416 5.3 24. Brent Barry ( Seattle SuperSonics) 71 367 5.2 25. Jalen Rose ( Chicago Bulls) 79 384 4.9 26. Antoine Walker ( Boston Celtics) 75 358 4.8 27. Doug Christie ( Sacramento Kings) 78 369 4.7 27. Karl Malone ( Utah Jazz) 78 366 4.7 29. Jay Williams ( Chicago Bulls) 72 332 4.6 29. Mark Jackson ( Utah Jazz) 79 361 4.6 29. Jerry Stackhouse ( Washington Wizards) 69 315 4.6 29. Latrell Sprewell ( New York Knicks) 70 319 4.6 33. Paul Pierce ( Boston Celtics) 76 338 4.4 33. Ray Allen ( Seattle SuperSonics) 72 314 4.4 35. Derek Anderson ( Portland Trail Blazers) 72 306 4.3 36. Nick Van Exel ( Dallas Mavericks) 69 291 4.2 37. Jamal Crawford ( Chicago Bulls) 77 315 4.1 38. Darrell Armstrong ( Orlando Magic) 78 310 4.0 39. Chauncey Billups ( Detroit Pistons) 70 269 3.8 39. Tim Duncan ( San Antonio Spurs) 78 297 3.8 39. Michael Jordan ( Washington Wizards) 78 296 3.8 42. Travis Best ( Miami Heat) 69 254 3.7 42. Derek Fisher ( Los Angeles Lakers) 79 290 3.7 44. Kevin Ollie ( Seattle SuperSonics) 78 277 3.6 45. David Wesley ( New Orleans Hornets) 69 241 3.5 45. Aaron McKie ( Philadelphia 76ers) 76 263 3.5 47. Vlade Divac ( Sacramento Kings) 78 269 3.4 47. Rick Fox ( Los Angeles Lakers) 73 248 3.4 47. Junior Harrington ( Denver Nuggets) 78 264 3.4 50. Tyronn Lue ( Washington Wizards) 71 237 3.3 Statistics dont lie. You can see from the list who are better than francis and who are not. It's funny that you compare assists of t-mac's and francis, one is shooting guard and one is point guard. If you are satisfied that our franchise player is an average or slightly better average point guard, I respect your opinion. But please expect we will be struggling for the playoffs spot for the years to come. Francis leaves it all on the floor? Then please ask him to improve his defense. He sucks in this area even he leaves it all.
