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Did the Tibet protests backfire?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by yeo, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Changing the rules now would hamper foreign investment and participation. They'll save that for something potentially big, like going to war with Taiwan.

    They're more likely to punish individual corporations with diminished involvement in their market or shame the company with their media. There is still a lot to invest in China and the middle class there is growing.

    No drastic measures are needed...
     
  2. Air Langhi

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    That is a right (freedom of speech) that most of the western world enjoys. You don't hear people clamoring to move to china do you. People should have the right to do what they want.
     
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    Well said. Everyone should have the right to think his own way, to make his own judgment and to say his mind. What sadden me is that I have seen posters who rely on the tactic of coercion (throwing out insults, calling derogatory names, poking borderline racist jokes) in order to force other people who hold different opinion into conformity with their own point of views. What they have been doing is as totalitarian as you can get. I hope these people can do away with their totalitarian way of thinking and embrace the concept of freedom and democracy one day.
     
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    I understand that is the right for them to protest, yet is what they are protesting about that troubles me. As I have posted in the other thread I am a native Tibetan, born and lived there till I was about 15. While I am glade of the massive show of support for my people around the world, they are simply going about it the wrong way. Most of these people are uneducated about our culture, religion, and history. Just like the Chinese government that they are protesting against.

    Every time I turn on the TV i see signs of "Free Tibet" or "China out of Tibet", when they have not the slightest clue that most Tibetans have no issue with been a part of China, we only want a special state status within China that allow us to manage our own cultural and religious affairs. Since much of our economy and utilities for everyday living is already so dependent on our ties with the rest of China. If these ties severed Tibet's economy and living condition would be in a serious downward spiral that it will not recover from.

    I highly doubt these protesters for "our freedom" would want to shell out billions of dollars in their own tax money to keep Tibet's infrastructure afloat.

    They need to use Olympics as a bridge for dialog, and change China's policy in Tibet from within China, to boycott the Olympics would simply be taking a huge step back. These protests simply does nothing with changing the Chinese government's dealings, only to enforce what most of the Chinese people already believes, that the rest of the world is trying to stop China from becoming a global powerhouse.
     
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    An interesting thing I read from the news is that many Iraqis and Middle Easterners moved to Yiwu in China. I guess no freedom of speech is not as bad a thing as our discrimination against Middle East people. :cool:
     
  6. Air Langhi

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    You would be surprised, the us shelled 3 trillion for iraq. China is in hairy situation in that there has been a lot of inflation and there will be conflicts between the have and have nots. They are trying their best to manage it. This is probably one of the reasons of the violence in Tibet. You have the right to complain about people complaining, but the people in Tibet don't have that choice. It might be some people don't know what they are protesting, but I am glad they are. The Chinese won't even allow media to go freely in tibet.
     
  7. yuantian

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    and in guangzhou, there are a lot of african immigrants. there are also tons of japanese and koreans moving to china.
     
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    A relative in Thailand will move his family to China later this year. I don't know how they do it. Maybe through investment or something?
     
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    A simple question: That 3 trillion are for the better or for the worse of Iraq? It will make better sense if US just handed that amount of money to Iraq for free.
     
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    The goverment still have saying in those imports/exports, directly or indirectly, just like US goverment does. So don't be suprised if AirBus loses its deal with China/or Franch wine companies have some technical issues with its exports if the PRC goverment feels like to make a statment.
     
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    On the web and else where, there's already a huge movement of boycotting French brands. And the Chinese government does control importing and exporting licenses. They can make your life much harder if not out right losing business.

    BTW, French brands, most of which being luxury brands, are much easier to boycott, unlike say Japanese brands. A girl I know vows not to buy any LVMH products for the next 3 years.
     
  12. yuantian

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    that's pretty much what i was saying. forgot which thread it was in. basically, AirBus purchase is a state purchase. the government has total control over it. but for non government controlled business, i doubt they have much control. i mean, people have to make money you know. they can't tell you not to buy/sell stuff with a country. unemployment is already a problem, that'll make it worse. i doubt they are that stupid. again, AirBus is more like a state purchase.
     
  13. yuantian

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    sounds good to me. :D i don't think i have ever bought anything made in France. what are some of the big companies there that makes products that regular folks buy?
     
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    DAMN!!


    I GOT RICKROLLED!!! :mad:
     
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    btw - you should post that as an "Hakeem Dunks Thread" in the GARM.

    has it been done?
     
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    LOL, there aren't a lot for guys. Maybe Dannon or spirit drink like Martell? I don't drink Evian either.

    In cosmetics and fashion, then there are many prominent French ones: brands under LVHM (dior etc), Under YSL, Under L'Oreal.
     
  17. yuantian

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    oh that explains it. my cousins are asking me to buy some makeups and expensive brands as gifts when i go back in a couple of months. i will make sure no French stuff. :p

    and Dannon, the yogurt? is French? hm... maybe it's something else. :D
     
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    My bad, Dannon prob isn't, but the parent company Danone is.

    http://www.danone.com/
     
  19. yuantian

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    oh those water stuff. i told my friend to name her unborn child Evian one time. she was drinking the water while asking me a name. :rolleyes:
     
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    i don't it has been done. you should do it! rickroll the all!

    i really like this song. i think if it was a crappy song, it wouldn't be so popular.
     

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