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Did the front or fouls stop Yao from being a factor in Game 2?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by WeMissDekeMan, May 7, 2009.

  1. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    I wouldn't say that. Yao Ming has had dominate 1st halfs in the regular season against the Lakers when Gasol was there center. I remember Mark Jackson when he was doing one of the games saying If I were the head coach I'd like to introduce to you to #11 in the Rockets uniform.

    Pretty much saying, give him the ball. Honestly, when your Aaron Brooks you know you are being an idiot when even Mark Jackson knows what to do. I would say Gasol is quick for Yao, but Yao can easily seal him off if it weren't for foul trouble, because it made him lack a lot more aggression.

    Indeed, I wish you would post in this thread more. :(

    Aaron Brooks doesn't even listen to the stuff he said, even when he sounds smart. He doesn't listen to Rick Adelman, Yao, Battier or anybody.

    He's just an arrogant punk that cares about his shots more than his wins.
     
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    Yao didn't play smart, that's for sure. He knew it's Joey Crawford and he knew it's a must win for Lakers, he fouled twice quickly, which totally threw him off the rhythm.

    Yao has to move a lot more, like he did in game 4 of the Portland season. I expect a much better game from him in game 3 facing home crowd, and the game will be tightly officiated.

    That being said, I also noticed numerous times, when Gasol was fronting alone, Yao pushed him out as far as FT line level, he definitely wanted lob passes. He never saw a single one. I know, I know, he's turnover prone, butter finger, yada yada, but in game 2 in Portland, 2 lob passes transformed to 5 points from Yao Ming. We didn't see a single one last night, while opportunities were plenty.

    Meanwhile, Yao didn't see a single pick and pop last night. Again, I know, Morey said he shot at 30ish percent in the first half of the season, but he was 3-5 in round 1, and 2-2 in game 1 of round 2. Again, he didn't see a single one of that last night.
     
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    it's yao. he's garbage. hes literally useless when he's fronted. we can't do anything with a big immobile 7 footer in the middle of the floor. he always cant play d.
     
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    Excuse me, sir. Who's that "we" you are referring to. You are on your own, alone. Please find a single company to make that "we" for you, from your very limited but still repetitive posts. Keep it to yourself. There is no "we" for you, on a Rockets board.
     
  5. WeMissDekeMan

    WeMissDekeMan Rookie

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    So which one made him a less factor? Fouls or fronts I didn't see a real answer in your post.

    To me, I believe the fouls made Yao lack a lot more aggression and I'm sure Yao knows Gasol is a flopper in the NBA. So truly, I believe It's the fouls that made him a non factor. You can blame some fronts, but I believe he honestly sealed Gasol off pretty well, but even then his dumb teammates specifically Aaron Brooks failed to make a pass to him.
     
  6. hradhak

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    I think the problem with Yao is that he still has a lot of inconsistency in his game. The fouls he had seemed to be more him being lazy than anything else. That offensive foul where he jumped into Odom (?) was a pretty stupid. I think Adelman's gotta recognize that when Yao has been out of the game with foul trouble and our 2nd team is working (Landry and Hayes) he's gotta run with those guys instead of bringing out Yao.
     
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    Fouls, as I said. He was never in rhythm, so weren't teammates trying to pass to him.
     
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    and do you think wwf and wrestlmania are real as well?

    The NBA: a new sport combining the Harlem Globetrotters and Wrestlemania!! :cool:

    Wow and Stu and the NBA finally saw the fans had reached their limit of the manipulation they would accept. So Fisher is out and Kobe is assessed a flagrant. Does this mean we start the next game with free throws?
     
  9. Im Just Sayin

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    A combination of both.

    He was never on track all game
     
  10. WeMissDekeMan

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    Well Aaron Brooks never tries to pass it to him, so I'm not sure If I can agree with you there. Battier and Artest are always trying to get the ball to Yao. Lowry too when he plays with him.

    It might take a few more games to realize Aaron Brooks just has something against Yao. The way AB treats Yao is the same way Farmar and Fisher treat Kobe. Because one thing those PGs have in common is that they are not willing to pass it to there best player.
     
  11. jameshuabao

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    after the 1st game,yao is a hero here.after 2nd,he is a garbage.many t-mac only fans come out for kicking yao's ass,and forgot their's hero already done in houston.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    who cares about tmac? he's done. yao had a terrible game in a crucial playoff game after a career-defining game for him. it was unfortunate yao took a huge step back after being so invincible in game 1. we, or at least I, expected yao to take his game to a WHOLE 'NOTHER level after that game 1 and BEAST throughout the playoffs. it was disappointing.
     
  13. WeMissDekeMan

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    No, you are just cherry picking his games so once the Rockets ever get eliminated you can just say I told you need T-Mac. T-mac fans annoy me more than T-mac himself.

    That being said, Yao Ming has already gotten out of the 1st round. Stop complaining about his poor games. How can you be consistent when refs call you for ticky tack fouls and how can he be consistent when the worst starting PG in the league is suppose to pass it to him?
     
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    As a Chinese fan, i've been watched Yao played Pau in international games a lot of times. It seems Yao was really having a hard time on both ends vs. Pau.

    Paul is too quick for Yao to defend, which often causes Yao in foul trouble early. Paul is not a great defender, what he often does is to entice our guards to feed Yao, then he catches Yao off guard with a steal. Yao gets frustrated.

    How to contain Paul and LO is key to this series. Kobe will always get his. you don't use artest to defend Kobe unless some critical moment. Battier is fine. we do need artest's offense game.

    To me, AB played with a lot of hesitation in game to. he's a none treat on both ends
     
  15. hotpotato

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    take yao out of the game and Rockets lose, it's a proven strategy; when yao gets the ball, rockets win, it's a proven fact.

    the million dollar quesition is for coach A is, are you gonna submit to opponents' will and allow them take yao out of your game?
     
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    Kick laker's ass here in houston
     
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    2nd game is ref's game. If Rox has the odds to win after Artest's "foul", they will foul out Yao also. Be prepared fans, let's see what they can do in Houston.
     
  19. WeMissDekeMan

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    Well, I'm talking about the next game now.

    Our PGs especially Aaron Brooks has to be more patient to look for Yao especially if he seals off his man especially Gasol. Really. Shane has been saying it over and over again and he said it again in the Houston Chronicle video. When we get the ball to Yao good things happen.

    When Aaron Brooks is dribbling nothing good is going to happen, he didn't say that, but I am saying that and I don't think many can disagree.

    Yao needs to dominate the rest of the series now.
     
  20. RocketsFan41

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    It's obvious why Yao refused to fight hard to get position during the game last night during the second half--there were numerous times that Yao clearly established post position during the first half and sealed off his man and was open, and yet Aaron Brooks refused to pass him the ball. And so, he probably thought, why should I even fight to establish position in the post when the other Rockets won't even pass me the ball.

    I noticed after the first half and during the second half that he kind of gave up and relegated himself to being a role player on the Rockets and let himself be damped down by the racism and nationalism against him, because the other Rockets wouldn't even pass him the ball, and so didn't put forth much effort to establish position in the low post anymore in the second half and did not fight hard to do it anymore, because even when he did so during the first half, Aaron Brooks deliberately refused to pass him the ball, and his effort during the second half faded, because he knew he was not going to get the ball despite the fact that he already established post position and sealed off his man.

    If the rest of the team does not get rid of the enmity and the againstness, (if that is a word), that they have to "the Chinese player will get the most glory on the team and will be the franchise player", and the "walk all over Yao Ming just because he is Chinese and you can do anything you want towards him" attitude they have on team, and give Yao the ball more when he is clearly open, which happened multiple times last night, and yet he still did not get the ball, the Rockets will not go far.

    And, at the risk of offending anyone, please do not tell me to stop bringing race into the situation, when I know that is exactly what is happening, because I empathize with him, and I try to "do unto others what I'd have done to me.", and I know exactly what he felt after I saw him seal of his man and establish low-post position multiple times and Aaron Brooks see it clearly and refuse to pass him the ball and he only got only 1 shot attempt the first half. And I saw how the light died in his eyes and how hios efforts faded to establish low-post position during the second half after that, how he was just going through the motions after that, and how his effort to establish low post position after the first half lessened. This is not an excuse for Yao doing poorly last night, this is the truth of what happened as gained by spiritual wisdom, the game of internal politics that is going on underneath the surface on the Rockets, the "game within the game" if you will. I know what you guys do to Yao Ming here in America. I am not fooled by your excuses, nor will be baited into even arguing with you as a shallower person would. I am just trying to tell the truth, that's all. Stop blaming Yao for the loss last night, when you all know that's not what happened, when his own teammates wouldn't even pass Yao the ball when he had established post position and clearly sealed off his man, when the refs wouldn't even let Yao play defense hard on Pau Gasol, and called a foul on Yao when started to get something going on offensively against Pau Gasol after he looked bad because Yao was being repeatedly scored on because they didn't want a man from China beating a man from Spain, that would upset "the ranking" you know, and perhaps even prove <gasp>, that there's equality after all. Something that many Chinese-American posters repeatedly said would happen after the first game was over and Yao did so well. And guess what, surprise, surprise, that's exactly what happened.

    I also have ears to hear you know: when other fans at the L.A. arena are calling Yao Ming "yellow is nothing" and "yood", and other hideous names towards Yao Ming like he is a dog when he is one of he best centers in the NBA, (and notice I said that he is only one of the best centers in the NBA, so you cannot accuse me of being prejudiced for Yao or of being a Yao Only Fan, or a "homer" towards him), and he picks up at least 2 fouls while guarding Pau Gasol on defense that are completely bogus, and when the League establishment and the NBA scorekeepers deliberately overestimate the number of Pau Gasol's blocks so that he gets 4 blocks on the boxscore when anyone who saw the game last night knows that he didn't get 4 blocks and that that wasn't the case, (I was very surprised when I read the boxscore, I saw the entire game, and I try to be completely objective, fair, impartial, and selfless so that I don't have a conflict of interest when I judge, and humble, and don't try to make myself better than anyone else, no shame in admitting someone's better than you, despite what Hollywood says for men, it's good to be humble--anotherwards I don't LIE for mythical racial supremacy's sake. If Pau got 4 blocks, then he got 4 blocks, but he DIDN'T. Pau got 1 strip of Yao point blank on the left-hand side of the rim, and maybe 1 block on Kyle Lowry in the 4th quarter, but about that, I’m not sure. I am fair, and Pau did not get 4 blocks this game). But when things like that happen in the NBA, then it is pretty obvious that the "powers that be" and "The Man" is still in power despite "civil rights", (can't even say what it is can you? EQUAL RIGHTS <---gasp! Blasphemy. Cheat, lie, scheme, do everything to cover up Yao! Because he proves that Asians are equal to everyone else) and the ending of slavery.

    "The Man: in power trying to make the Yellow Man look bad compared to the White Man is still alive and well. Especially, you can see why they do this against Yao Ming and for Pau Gasol when Yao Ming is better in points per game, rebounds per game, and blocks per game, in 4 less minutes, (because of injury concerns only, not because he is not good enough to play more minutes), than Pau Gasol during an 82 game regular season even with cheating referees and lying scheming scorekeepers undercounting his stats deliberately conspiring against Yao Ming to keep him down, and cheating referees and lying scheming scorekeepers deliberately overcounting Pau's stats conspiring for Pau Gasol to deliberately artificially prop him up, even though admittedly Yao can't guard Pau, but neither can Pau guard Yao on the low post.

    Save it for someone who's more gullible.

    If the Rockets do this to Yao--a member of their own team who's innocent and does not do this to any member of any other race, and who just has to suffer these purposeful and deliberate wrongs just because of his nationality and his race, and his own teammates conspire and scheme against him who is their own teammate to prevent him from getting the ball when he can help them to win to prevent him getting his own glory just because of his nationality and race, and then Houston Rockets fans turn on him, and say he had a BAD GAME and saying that he needs to be traded, amazing the wrongs you are willing to do to a person just because of his own nationality and race because of it, isn't it? Some of you actually KNOWING the truth that is going on underneath the surface, just because you don't want a good CHINESE guy on the team, because it breaks your "mythical ranking", then I hate to say it but as much as I love the Rockets, if the Rockets do this to Yao Ming, THEN THE ROCKETS DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP<---There I said it.

    OK, flame suit ON!

    FLAME ON! Hidden racists and other forms of Evil lying haters! :p
     

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