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Did Tampa Bay screw the pooch?

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by what, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. moestavern19

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    Carr is definitely benefiting from a great o-line a decent run game, and a couple of receivers who aren't complete trash. Bridgewater on the other hand keeps putting up a lot of underwhelming numbers. I see him kind of like a Jason Campbell. He'll get the benefit of the doubt for a while, but eventually people will realize he's not quite good enough to get it done.
     
  2. Harden2Capela

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    i was trying to make a point that if you give teddy the weapons on offense, a better offensive coordinator( the game has passed norv by) and the o-line that derek carr has, the vikings would be illegal


    latavious murray rushed for over 100 yards with like 7 yards a carry on the jets defense... the raiders have a sick o-line man, luckily carr doesnt have the arm talent teddy has, or the raiders would have a better record than vikings.. they should at least
     
  3. Harden2Capela

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    Teddy is also not an outdoor player, watch what happens when the vikings move into their stadium next year. Remmeber when Matt Ryan got heat early in his career for being terrible in cold weather...
     
  4. moestavern19

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    The Vikings have a much better defense than the Raiders. That sometimes factors into football games.
     
  5. Harden2Capela

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    but we arent talking about that, we are talking about why derek carr is outperfoming teddy production wise, and im giving you a list of reasons why i think thats the case, teddy is not an outdoor player i will conceed that, he is playing out of his element in the nfc north, but it is what it is. nothing you can do about it now
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    No, they did not screw the pooch.
     
  7. Harden2Capela

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    Jameis Winston the No. 1 impact rookie in the NFL by Pro Football Focus

    According to Pro Football Focus, Jameis Winston is the top impact NFL rookie so far.


    The NFL’s top 3 rookies of 2015 by PFF through week 8


    1. Jameis Winston, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    There seems to be a perception that Winston, the No. 1 overall pick out of Florida State, has been bad this season, and for two of his six games that has been true. He had the second-worst performance of any QB in a game this year in his NFL debut against Tennessee, which looked even worse in comparison to the perfect passer rating posted by the No. 2 overall pick of the Titans, Marcus Mariota. He also had a terrible performance in Week 4 against Carolina.But if you take those two games away – his first game ever and a game against one of the NFL’s elite defenses – he has been excellent. He’s shown a great ability to make difficult throws. His specialty so far has been go routes. He’s attempted them on 10 percent of his passes, completing 8 of 16 for three touchdowns and zero interceptions, with an NFL passer rating 51 points higher than the NFL average on that pass pattern.


    2. Amari Cooper, WR, Oakland Raiders

    This year’s No. 4-overall pick out of Alabama got off to a slow start, but had a breakout game against the Chargers and now ranks 27th among receivers with a 79.8 grade.

    This might seem a little high for him on this list, but there are reasons to bet on his upside. For starters, his grade has been held back a bit due to four drops (his drop rate of 10.8 is 14th-worst in the league), which is uncharacteristic of him based on his college stats. The Raiders also haven’t targeted him much in the deep passing game, with only three targets on throws of 20-plus yards. He’s caught all three of those, however, for 138 yards and two touchdowns. It might be time to get him more downfield targets, Oakland. The Raiders have gone from the NFL’s No. 31 passing offense in our grades last year to No. 11 this year. That isn’t all Cooper, obviously, but he deserves a fair share of the credit.


    3. Marcus Mariota, QB, Tennessee Titans

    The No. 2 overall pick out of Oregon missed last week’s game due to an MCL sprain and is still uncertain for this week, which has limited his impact a little bit. But he’s off to a solid start, grading positively in two games, negatively in two and right around average in another. He is currently PFF’s No. 28 quarterback with a 58.6 grade.

    Where he has struggled is on downfield throws, completing just three of his 21 attempts of 20 or more yards, with zero touchdowns and three interceptions on those throws. But his numbers against pressure have been promising, and his passer rating against the blitz increases by 26 points. Most importantly, he has upgraded the Titans’ passing attack, even though it does still have a ways to go.
     
  8. Harden2Capela

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    Jameis Winston's QB rating on long passes nearly 25x better than Marcus Mariota's.[/B]


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  9. Harden2Capela

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting rookie QB nugget from <a href="https://twitter.com/wgsmit3">@wgsmit3</a> <a href="https://t.co/NFVv9NF8y4">pic.twitter.com/NFVv9NF8y4</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/661665858737991680">November 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting rookie QB nugget from <a href="https://twitter.com/wgsmit3">@wgsmit3</a> <a href="https://t.co/NFVv9NF8y4">pic.twitter.com/NFVv9NF8y4</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/661665858737991680">November 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  10. Harden2Capela

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    No its really not
     
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    I would like a breakdown of the opponents each played.
     
  13. Harden2Capela

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    well luck and manning plays/played in the garbage afc south

    winston plays in the tougher divison
     
  14. Major

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    Winston has played 3 games against the AFC South so far. In Luck's first 7 games, he played 2 AFC South teams. And, of course, Luck had a better record - which you've explained to us in Cam Newton's case shows greatness despite mediocre stats.

    And the AFC South didn't even exist when Manning came into the league - he played in the AFC East, where all the other teams were 0.500+ his first two years, which is crazy given that there were 5 teams in divisions back then.

    A little research might help reduce the stupidity level of your posts.
     
  15. Harden2Capela

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    Roger Goodell says, "Jameis Winston you'll get nothing and like it"

    Bucs On Pace For NFL Record 162 Penalties

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/11/bucs-on-pace-for-nfl-record-162-penalties/#more-147512

    Halfway through the NFL season the Bucs have yet to execute the “we’ll clean it up” Lovie Smith keeps talking about when it comes to penalties.

    Tampa Bay was back at it shooting themselves in the foot against the Giants today. Nine penalties for 79 yards. They came in all shapes and sizes, offense, defense and special teams.

    The Bucs now have 81 penalties through five games. That’s a pace for 162 on the year. That total would bust the NFL record of 158 held by the 1998 Chiefs, whose coach wasn’t their coach the following season.

    The teams ranking second, third and fourth sloppiest of all-time also got new coaches after their respective seasons.

    Joe’s not calling for Lovie Smith’s head because of penalties. But the total is astounding and a problem that won’t go away.


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    Then combine with that the defense of the bucs which is 30th in adjusted yards allowed, which means almost no punts unless the bucs get a turnover, we picked off eli twice today. Today was the first game a bucs opponent punted in the last 9 quarters
     
  16. MadMax

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    I saw some of the Tampa game yesterday. I thought Winston was fine...and his receivers looked awful. 2 passes dropped that coulda, woulda, shoulda been TD's.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    The crab leg diet is paying off.

    Andrew Luck looks like he eats french fries and cup cakes all day
     
  18. Harden2Capela

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    Andrew Luck is a coach killer, only a matter of time before he starts the ball over again and pagano or chud is next to go
     
  19. A_3PO

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    Any white QB you don't like is a "coach killer".
     
  20. zeeshan2

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    Winston with 5 TD passes so far
     

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